Freedom of Speech ?

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  1. AmericanStand

    AmericanStand Well-Known Member

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    I saw the other day were a man pled guilty to lying to the FBI.

    Doesn’t the freedom of speech guarantee our right to lie? If we have a right to lie how can we be guilty of a crime for exercising it?

    If we don’t have a right to lie then who gets to approve the veracity of our statements and decide whether we go to jail or not?

    Will the huckster on TV that claims these vitamins will make you taller and with better hair and attract women be put in jail?
    How about the guy that yells fire in a theater? How about the two guys arguing about global warming which one of them will go to jail?
     
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    You can lie as much as you want, but not to the police during an official investigation.
    There's no promise you won't suffer consequences for your lies.

    People often mistakenly think they have some "right" to say anything they want, but that's really not what is stated in the First Amendment.
     
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    Not specific to any current event, but true freedom also contains true consequences.
     
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    Very Well Said INDEED !
     
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    I’ve been told the police have a right to lie to us. Shouldn’t we have that same right ? Shouldn’t the government be held to a higher standard than the citizens they work for ?
     
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    The true point is that you don’t have to answer any question to any law enforcement officer. Don’t want to get caught in a lie and suffer the consequences- keep your mouth shut. You have that right.
     
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    AmericanStand Well-Known Member

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    Kinda hard not to answer the guy with the gun......
     
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    Wow....Deleted.
     
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    Actually quite easy. I have done it,

    BTW I was totally innocent. I had no idea what I was being questioned about. I asked, she didn't tell me. So I just said nothing.

    To this day I don't know what it was about.
     
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    Freedom of speech and lying to the police are two completely different things.
     
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    So when the wife asks if these pants make her backside look big?? :eek:
     
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    'They make you look beautiful"
     
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    You don't have to answer anything without a lawyer.
    It's easier to not answer than it is to lie. (For most people)
     
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    You’re free to say whatever you wish. She’s also free to say whatever she wishes in return. Exercising one’s rights often comes with consequence.
     
  16. AmericanStand

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    The proper answer is “Have you seen my half inch wrench ?”
     
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    Yes the police can lie to you to get you to incriminate yourself. If you lie to the police or feds, even if you are not under oath, you can be charged and go to jail. The best thing to do when being "questioned" by the police or feds is to tell them you are going to exercise your 5th Amendment right to remain silent. I recall a court case where it was ruled that you have to say something to that effect. Remember, anything you say even in passing to the police or feds can be used against you, even if you have not been read your rights. When/if you are stopped by the police for DUI or speeding and they ask you if you've been drinking and you answer "I had a beer" or how fast do you think you were going, will be used against you.

    You should also tell them that you would want an attorney. Saying "I think I should have an attorney" is not enough. Requesting an attorney should put an end to the questioning until an attorney shows up. But your mileage may very.

    BTW: I'm not an attorney nor do I play one on TV and I didn't stay at a Holiday Inn last night, so you should talk with a real attorney.
     
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    Freedom is only worthy the of the name, so long as the pursuit thereof does not deny others of the same.

    JS Mill wrote, “The only freedom which deserves the name, is that of pursuing our own good in our own way, so long as we do not attempt to deprive others of theirs, or impede their efforts to obtain it.”

    The FBI is established and maintained by the will of the people via proxy, to protect the citizenry from those who would impede the individual freedom to move to and fro in all facets of their lives with a measure of protection and reasonable confidence that justice will be served.

    Personally I believe lying whether to the FBI or anyone else is causes harm and impedes the victims right to pursue freedom in the purest form of an equal playing field rather than one shaded with cowardly lies.