I started this thread because of the thread of ZYG's that got sidetracked. I don't think many would deny that we need a support system in a developed society. Obviously our system has gotten out of control with abuse and corruption. Ever wonder why Congress can't fix anything? Just look at the disagreements that go on here. Imagine if we were the legislators for this country, things would be pretty much the same as it is now! Yes people need help at times, some people might need help forever. The problem always comes down to judging who needs the help and for how long. I've always believed that assistance like food stamps should come with pots and a cookbook along with some hands on lessons in shopping,gardening,cooking,and nutrition. That's a great idealistic way to approach the problem but we can't even teach that in school with fresh minds and 12 years. Families used to be the support and education group that kept people off of assistance but with the breakdown and seperation of families that isn't true any longer. I see the problem getting worse and not better, how do you see it?