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I was reading old threads and found a few where euthinasia was being discusses/debated. I thought it would be good to post a few links here to some site where it is discussed in detail for animals, covering all methods and the pros/cons/tech info on it. Everyone with livestock/pets should read this and learn so you KNOW what is and isnt right... I read a lot of people guessing and having thier own methods that are not as mercyful as they sound (exaust fumes for one.. right gas wrong way to use it)

http://www.avma.org/resources/euthanasia.pdf

that page is on the main site
http://www.avma.org/resources/default.asp

I discovered several facts i wasnt aware of and you may not be either. I didint think of it actually but PURE carbon monoxide is easily available in tanks, like argon or oxygen, (welding supply) and is pure and not at all like car fumes that choke and irritate the eyes and llungs. pumped into a contained area, pure CO from a tank safe, odor and irritant free and kills quietly. I am passing on the either method I have used before,and going to get a tank "for just in case". (but did discover it is a suitable anisthetic on most small animals, good to know when your forced to stitch up one in an emergency BUT LEARN HOW BEFORE YA TRY IT..I'll pst some instructions later, it is NOT safe, or risk free it is very risky to use, but if you need it NOW to save an animals life, wouldnt you LIKE to know how it can be used, even with the risks? I dont know about you, but Id rather do it myself than to wait til tomorrow when the dog is bleeding to death) CO is cheap enough for most anyone to afford with no trouble obtaining it. All you need is the standard cardboard box with a hole in it for the hose. this is a great realization for me, I cant stand shotting animals anymore, I've had to do it to many times.

I looked up nirtus oxide, as you can get that in any auto parts store for the fuel systems on some cars (hot rods ect). I discovered even though it is an anithetic, and will kill a person in high concentration, this does NOT happen with most animals who tolorate it even at 100% concentration. the only ise nitrus has in animals is when used with other inhalants.

another sheet of chemical info on the subject;
http://www.fsu.edu/~FSULAR/euthcht.html

and another very good one
http://www.fauvet.fau.edu/webtrng/Euthanasia/euthanasiatraining3.htm
this is a whole website on euthinasia training.

another one that looked interesting;
http://las.rutgers.edu/manual/ch10.htm

If you have another link, add it. this is stuff everyone with animals should know. After reading some of these I am pretty embarrasssed about what I didnt know...
hope it is of use to you all.

 

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on further research on ether....
seems you cant store it once its opened, because it forms peroxide salts on the surface and thats a nasty explosive combination...and sealed ether containers also form these salts after a year or so.
mmmm... lucky me, I had a smal can of it here for years. I dont reccomend ether....now it scare the bejesus outta me knowing that.
I have a special forces medical surgery manual that outlines the proper use of ether, and from what I found elsewhere surfing, the same administration procedures apply for animals as well as humans. Good info to know and keep in the back of your head for a rainy day, but I think I will pass on keeping it around. i'm not fond of hights.... (boom).
Not to mention, it is a "watched" chemical... the DEA watches who buys ether and where it is delivered. sems its a main chemical in making crack and methamphetamine. So the UPS guy wont be bringing me any this year.

 

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your right-o... I was mistaken on the CO, but I have seen bottles of CO AND CO2 where I buy welding supplies. I will ask next time I am there what they use it for. I had to really dig for any reference or warning of its explosive properties BUT you are correct...
http://www.camd.lsu.edu/msds/c/carbon_monoxide.htm

this whole site is really informative on the properties of chemicals in general
http://www.camd.lsu.edu/msds/msds_search.html

the physical action of CO and CO2 are the same pretty much, they cause suffocation. I haddnt thought of it in terms of how it physically killes, but on learning that I'm not sure suffocation is that pleasant a way to go either.

I think I will stick to bullits, they are instantainous.
Ive learned a lot looking thins stuff up i hope someone else did too, if nothing else except how easy it can be to make a BIG mistake!

the last link i posted has a lot of common chemicals i use/ have used all the time, i am going to study the detail specs on each to see what I was handling.

I wonder what the lethal dose is for animals using phenobarbital... I take that for seizures, and always have a large supply of it on hand.
anyone have a link to info on leathal does barbituates and various types of animals?
I know from taking it myself it is deadly if injected and the dose via injection is less than if taken orally. I imagine not many folks here use phenobarb so posting that info probably isnt going to help anyone really. If I find it I will post it and a reputable link just for the sake of information.
thanks unreg whoever ya are.... keep pointing out my errors!!!

 

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you should be registered here so we can put a name to the brains...
yes as you say CO would make an excellent method of euthinasia.. I researched till I had a headache and found no metion of its explosive properties untill I spacificly looked for the word linked to CO. You are absolutely right. I based my original conclusion on the facts I could find, all said it was dangerous, but they say ether is dangerous also, and I have used ether to euthanize cats. Not startig fluid, we had old cans of medical ether in the barn cabnet. At the time, I did not know how dangerous ether in tins was, so good thing its been gone for years here. (we arent real smart when we are young). I did not know then it forms peroxides with age and becomes a friction explosive. I only used starting fluid once, and it is irritating to their eyes and lungs due to the petrolium, but I observed by the time ithe irritation set in they were pretty much almost out cold. still i will never use iit again for that reason.
the effect of CO2 I am curious about, when you suffocate from CO2 inhalation is it stressfull like suffocation while drownding or breathing into a paper bag? or does the purity of the bottled CO2 make it work unnoticed by the victim? If you have used CO2 in euthinasia please discribe in some detail how it effects the animal during euthinasia. Do they appear stressed? do the fight to breath?
yes I have helped vets needle racehorses, it is very important to hit a vein or artery. I was only curious about the lethal dose of phenobarb for the sake of curiousity. I did find info on that drug and the leathal dose via oral doseage, and for animals its very high. It would be impractical to "feed " them that much if you could.
The last time I had a horse put down I dunno what the vet used but it was a small syringe (@ 30cc) and it dropped a 500 pound pony before he was even done with the injection...
if you have the money, that is the cleanest, easy way.
I only address this subject because i like to keep semingly useless and obscure information stacked in the back of my head, you never know when it may come in handy.
unreg thanks for sharing your brains... keep it up!

 

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"etherised rats"

you mean rats snuffed with ether are explosive?
yike.