[Adirondackian]

"Voters dealt a hammer blow to the Dutch establishment in Wednesday’s regional elections, propelling the Farmer-Citizen Movement (BBB) to become the largest party in the Senate in just its first election.

Exit polls projected the movement will win 15 seats in the Dutch upper chamber as voters sent a clear message to Mark Rutte’s government over its planned nitrogen emissions laws campaigners say will devastate the country’s agricultural sector.

“The Dutch have clearly shown that they are fed up with the policy,” BBB leader Caroline van der Plas told De Telegraaf late on Wednesday. “I’m going to party.”

“The turnaround has started. The voters have spoken and have denounced support of this government,” she added in a tweet."

 

[HDRider]

Power to the people! Right on!

 

[doc-]

Right arm, man!...Farm out!

 

[Pony]

I find this particularly encouraging. God bless the Dutch farmers!

and now... I have John Lennon and the Plastic Ono Band playing in my head, thanks to @HDRider. LOL

 

[HDRider]

It is hard to comment on this stuff without sounding like a nut.

There are forces that want to gain power over the common man, the working man, the family man. I hope we see those forces thwarted.

That said, France is in turmoil right now, and I think The People have missed the mark by a wide margin. The French are protesting that Macron raised the retirement age from 62 to 64. The People should be protesting the fact that government has any say or influence over when a person retires. The People sold their soul for safety, and a government check.

I want no one to have power over my retirement.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1636515549936070656

 

[GTX63]

Don't let your government take your country from you.

 

[HDRider]

Don't let your government take your country from you.

How much of our country is Ours?

Is it Ours because we rent it from the government?

Is it Ours because we were born here?

How do we stake the claim that the country in which we live is "Ours"?

 

[Vineland]

The WEF, Greenies and the Davos crowd want to destroy nitrogen and carbon which are the building blocks of life. Why? Not to save the planet though that is the greenwashing of the useful idiots. Is the planet being terraformed? Big Hat Tip to the Dutch Farmers. Hopefully their example will ignite a brush fire of farmers world wide fighting back.

 

[haypoint]

After seeing what the Washington establishment did, and continues to do, to the outsider that got elected president, I'm sure Washington won't let any Farmer Citizen Movement gain traction. The NEWS will make them into the kook party, not worthy of a vote.
Teddy Roosevelt was popular and talked about breaking up monopolies. Big Business thought the best way to shut him up would be to make him Vice President. But their plan failed when the President died. So, Teddy was able to bust up Standard Oil, US Steel and the railroad trusts. The political machine won't let that happen again.
Seemed Hillary was the clear winner, but they underestimated the Deplorables. The over $2 Billion spent by big business to get Hillary elected wasn't enough. So, after pounding away at Donald for four years, Democrats added 20,000,000 more voters than voted for Hillary, to vote for Biden. Trump increased his voter turnout by 13,000,000 from his original win.

I can see Washington putting in a huge effort to squash any people's movement that might upset "The Swamp".

 

[Orchardsmith]

True, either here or in the Netherlands. TR didn't break up any monopolies because the only monopolies were the US post office and AT&T. Standard Oil held way less market share in 1905 than it did in 1888. TR was a progressive wrecker who understood nothing about the American economic system. He understood a great deal about politics, however.

 

[Vineland]

After seeing what the Washington establishment did, and continues to do, to the outsider that got elected president, I'm sure Washington won't let any Farmer Citizen Movement gain traction. I can see Washington putting in a huge effort to squash any people's movement that might upset "The Swamp".

So True plus Big Ag would not want to jeopardize their subsidies (Farmer Welfare)

 

[haypoint]

True, either here or in the Netherlands. TR didn't break up any monopolies because the only monopolies were the US post office and AT&T. Standard Oil held way less market share in 1905 than it did in 1888. TR was a progressive wrecker who understood nothing about the American economic system. He understood a great deal about politics, however.

JP Morgan controlled the Rail Roads. Earlier US Sugar controlled 98% of the market. J D Rockefeller's Standard Oil controlled fuel. See ushistory.org/us/43b.asp and qtv.pbslearningmedia.org Trust Busting.

Do you believe there are monopolies in the US that need broken up? Do our elected officials represent the citizens or Big Business?

 

[Orchardsmith]

Do you believe there are monopolies in the US that need broken up? Do our elected officials represent the citizens or Big Business?

My background is American economic history. Without government protection through legislation (which both AT&T and the post office had), the only "monopoly" possible is a monopoly of efficiency, which is another way of saying the widespread delivery of goods at a very attractive price. If someone were to monopolize a market under those circumstances, they could raise prices and try to extract more money from customers, but it wouldn't last long. In a free market, others could come in at exactly the point where prices became the trigger to call in competitors. Many competitors came into the oil market to compete with Standard Oil, thus the market share was way less when TR filed antitrust suits in 1905. It's a big political sham. Over the period of 1868-1905, Standard Oil drove the price of kerosene down from 26 cents per gallon to 3 cents per gallon.
As to your question, I don't believe companies should have the protection of laws to guard their places in the economy. Name a monopoly, and I'll give my opinion on whether it should be broken up. Your last question is a very vague one and is unanswerable in a general way.
In economics, we always have choices. They aren't always the choices we might like, but there are choices.

 

[Orchardsmith]

So True plus Big Ag would not want to jeopardize their subsidies (Farmer Welfare)

The ag industry is a prime example of business run and controlled by government bureaucrats. This has been coming on for a very long time, at least since the 1930s.

 

[haypoint]

The ag industry is a prime example of business run and controlled by government bureaucrats. This has been coming on for a very long time, at least since the 1930s.

Since the Feds get to control what farm products get exported and imported and that controls the the price of those farm products, wouldn't they be entitled to some sort of compensation to stay in business. The only subsities that I am aware of, contributes to the public good.

 

[Adirondackian]

After seeing what the Washington establishment did, and continues to do, to the outsider that got elected president, I'm sure Washington won't let any Farmer Citizen Movement gain traction. The NEWS will make them into the kook party, not worthy of a vote.
Teddy Roosevelt was popular and talked about breaking up monopolies. Big Business thought the best way to shut him up would be to make him Vice President. But their plan failed when the President died. So, Teddy was able to bust up Standard Oil, US Steel and the railroad trusts. The political machine won't let that happen again.
Seemed Hillary was the clear winner, but they underestimated the Deplorables. The over $2 Billion spent by big business to get Hillary elected wasn't enough. So, after pounding away at Donald for four years, Democrats added 20,000,000 more voters than voted for Hillary, to vote for Biden. Trump increased his voter turnout by 13,000,000 from his original win.

I can see Washington putting in a huge effort to squash any people's movement that might upset "The Swamp".

Sounds like defeatism.

 

[Orchardsmith]

Since the Feds get to control what farm products get exported and imported and that controls the the price of those farm products, wouldn't they be entitled to some sort of compensation to stay in business. The only subsities that I am aware of, contributes to the public good.

LOL. We don't need the government to tell us when or what we can trade. Individuals or companies can do that just fine. The reason NAFTA was a sham was that it wasn't actually free trade. It was managed trade, authorized and channeled for the benefit of politicians and their business allies and, often, our enemies. All that fentanyl is coming across the border because we agreed to only inspect every so many trucks. If we inspected every truck, (As Gov Abbott did for a few days a while back) that drug crap would stop right now. The occasional inspection agreement is left over from those trade treaties.
Define the public good. That's a slogan that serves as boob bait for the bubbas.

 

[Orchardsmith]

Sounds like defeatism.

Call a spade a spade. He's just stating the facts.

 

[GoldenCityMuse]

Well, good for the Dutch farmers. Hope they are able to remove the crushing restrictions on their livelihood.

 

[Orchardsmith]

Here's the latest on the Dutch farmers. How they use their newly won muscle will be interesting to see.

State Must Adjust Green Agenda After Dutch Farmers' Election Win - Party

"Adjustments" must be made to the state's green agenda programme after the Netherlands' pro-farmer party won the country's recent election

www.breitbart.com