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Why are they trying to and succeeding in passing laws on drag?

Do they believe that one sex dressing in the clothes of another sex is obscene?
Do they believe that only one sex should wear makeup?
Do they believe that dressing up as the opposite sex will make you gay?

Would you be against a story hour if the reader dressed like a chipmunk? Why is that different than one sex dressing as another sex?
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Why are they trying to and succeeding in passing laws on drag?

Do they believe that one sex dressing in the clothes of another sex is obscene?
Do they believe that only one sex should wear makeup?
Do they believe that dressing up as the opposite sex will make you gay?

Would you be against a story hour if the reader dressed like a chipmunk? Why is that different than one sex dressing as another sex?
I’ve not seen anything discussing banning drag shows writ-large. Everything I’ve seen has been in the context of banning drag shows that are aimed at an audience of children. That makes the first four of your questions non-sequiturs.

In direct answer to your last two questions:

1- No. I wouldn’t see an issue with a story hour hosted by a reader dressed like a chipmunk. That seems perfectly reasonable and kind of fun for a children’s story hour.

2- We’re not simply talking about a male dressed as a female. We’re talking about drag. Drag is a highly flamboyant sexual expression. It entails men dressing in hyper-sexualized caricature of women, showing gigantic fake cleavage, revealing clothing styled after strippers and prostitutes, waving obscene sex toys around, and encouraging children to put money into the clothing of provocatively dancing degenerates. I’ve not seen anything about preventing so-called “trans genders” from reading to children (though I would wholeheartedly support their being prevented from ANY access to children).


So, in turn, my own questions, if you would:

1- from which media outlet did you get these wildly failing and illogical “gotcha” questions, this morning?

2- why does your side always insist on injecting sexuality into the lives of young children?
2a- do they/you have no shame?
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Is this highly sexualized? Is this what you think should be outlawed? Do you believe Ru-Pauls drag show should be outlawed?
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There were three questions there:

1- yes. That is hyper sexualized. That is not a man in women’s clothing. That is a man dressed as a sexual caricature of a woman. Letting him within touching distance of a child should be a crime.

2- see #1

3- I looked that up and see that it’s a television show. No. I don’t believe a television show should be outlawed.

See what intellectual honesty looks like?
Here were my questions again:


1- from which media outlet did you get these wildly failing and illogical “gotcha” questions, this morning?

2- why does your side always insist on injecting sexuality into the lives of young children?
2a- do they/you have no shame?
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It seems to me that pageants are highly sexualized. Why are they not outlawed in public?
Some pageants are highly sexualized. None, that I am aware of, are highly sexualized and specifically aimed at children like the ones your tribe are using to groom children into early and deviant sexuality.
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So, @painterswife , you’re perfectly comfortable asking questions but don’t feel compelled to answer any in return. Your post started with questions pivoting around a false premise about banning drag, with no mention of it being aimed at children.

So, the question about what media outlet fed you those intellectual dishonest questions was competent valid. Someone has manipulated you, and you’re trying to manipulate others in turn.

Shameful.
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Movies have ratings for age appropriate.
Some want to groom children that still believe in Santa.
That's evil!
@painterswife ‘s mental handlers use the same blatantly dishonest mischaracterizations all the time. When a movie gets an R rating, they don’t claim that the movie has been banned, but when a state or city removes a book describing explicit sexual activity from grade-school libraries, they all start screeching in unison about “banned books”.

They don’t want to have a discussion about perverted drag shows FOR CHILDREN, so they are told to (and dutifully comply) ask “wHy u wAnt BAN dRag?!?!
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There was no media outlet involved. That is a red herring you like to toss to derail discussions. I chose not to play.
BS. No one is passing laws to “ban drag”. You watched someone mischaracterizing it that way, so you parroted it here. The fact that the very premise of your questions were a lie, and not what’s really happening, proves that you got that narrative from somewhere.
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Appearantly it creates an undesirable illusion, doesn’t it?
Yes, the reasonable explanation is that someone is trying to pretend that the reader exposed themselves to the children.to get a reaction out of people that don't know any better.
…and more BS. An adult, of either sex, wearing a miniskirt and flesh-toned spandex to reveal the detailed outline of their genitals, sitting open-legged for the world to see could be considered a lewd or inappropriate image in many places. It’s perfectly reasonable to blur that part of the photo for many audiences.

And you know which place it’s the most lewd and inappropriate?
Any place involving children.

I don’t care if it was an attractive woman (the actual kind). If I saw her sitting open legged in front of children, wearing a miniskirt and flesh-tone skin-tight undies to show off the bulge of her little man in the canoe, I’d step it to stop it.

The fact that the two of you don’t naturally get that just proves how morally repugnant you are.
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What is the point of someone dressed up as Mickey Mouse or a vampire etc. reading a story? It is about acting and dramatics. Neither of those things needs to be sexualized. Dressing up in drag is not a perversion. It is playing a character just as someone dressing up as a clown is.
The difference between someone in a Mickey Mouse costume and a dude in drag is that one costume is intended to bring a children’s story character to life, and the other is a costume put on to engage and express one’s sexuality.

From your first example, the chipmunk costume; I would have no problem with a children’s story teller wearing a chipmunk costume. That’s playful fun for children. If, on the other hand, I found out that they were a “plushie” who routinely wore a chipmunk costume to get their rocks off, then I’m going to step in.

It’s no different than if a man mutilates his genitals and starts calling himself a woman; that’s just fine, they’re free to go be as big a freak as they want… over there, away from the children.
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Since your TV has apparently programmed you to struggle with this, I’ll help you out: also not appropriate for engaging with children.
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This is a dude in running pants, not a sexual deviant wearing a miniskirt, sitting open legged wearing spandex to show off his junk.

was there a point to this picture?
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Hey, if a parent chooses to take their kid to a Library story time event and another person tries to make the event into something it wasn’t with a blurred photo, someone has a hidden agenda and it isn’t the storyteller.
My morals don’t come into play here…so back up your long winded judgements.
The blurring of the photo doesn’t at all make it into something it wasn’t. A dude wearing skin-tights in a miniskirt sitting open legged in front of children is not OK. Anywhere. The fact that he did it means that he needs to be stopped. The fact that you wouldn’t choose to step in and stop it does bring your absence of morals into play.
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Beauty contests can only be called sexualization if a pretty girl in a bikini on the beach can be called sexualization. A beauty contest emphasizes what society, in general, views as highly desirable in the female form. Drag shows aimed at children emphasize abnormal sexualization aimed at making it acceptable and normalized in young impressionable minds. They emphasize what society, in general, views as perversion.
I didn’t get what she meant by “pageants” the first time she said it, but it’s clear she’s using an extremely narrow definition there. In the case she’s referencing, the parents that have little girls dressing up in makeup, skimpy clothes and even have a bathing suit category; yeah, those are kinda creepy and probably do cross the line sometimes.

I’d hesitate to put them in the same category as this new wave of woke worship that has men in miniskirts with junk-hugging undies reading to children, and dildo-swinging pervs dancing provocatively for children and encouraging them to put money in their clothes, but I’m also not comfortable saying there can’t be some stuff that’s just as bad happening at some of these “beauty pageants”.
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Painterswife, if you want to wear a dog costume and hump a tree on Main Street at high noon, I don't care. If I happen to be driving by with grandchildren in the car, and they ask me, "Grampy, what is that big dog doing"? I'll just tell them it is one of the local nuts dressed up as a dog, doing nutty things.
See, that’s where we differ. If some freak put on an animal costume and started performing sexually explicit acts where children could see, I’m going to stop it. That’s no different than a man walking around flashing children, or a man in a dress and fake boobs following a little girl into a bathroom.

It’s our individual duty to stand up to and stop that ****.
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Food for thought


They found that for most pageant goers, the whole show is far more about the parents than the children—that parents were playing “princess by proxy” through their kids, with little regard for the kids.

It is absolutely abnormal to dress/make up a child as an adult and put them on display for a “prize”
That much is weird, but not the same as intently sexualizing children. Those that do, whether it’s for the personal gratification of a beauty ribbon, or for the personal gratification of signaling one’s allegiance to wokeness and whatever CNN tells them to think, are no different and should be kept away from children all the same.
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They are reading the same stories that a parent would. I would expect any parent to know what book is being read before participating in a story hour at a public library.
Have you managed to cite any of the laws you started this thread about yet, or are you still just plucking the strings CNN told you to?
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It is simple. If you don't like who is reading the story or what they are reading then you don't take your children to the event.

This thread is not about prompting it. It is about understanding why one group of people get to decide for another who reads their children stories.
Seriously, post a link to a law or proposed law that you object to, so we can have a discussion about specifics. Otherwise, you’re just doing your text-based impersonation of Morning Joe.
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Again I will repeat,, this is not about a specific law but the topic in general.
From your OP:
Why are they trying to and succeeding in passing laws on drag?
Please provide us with a law they have passed or tried to pass on this topic. That’s integral to the topic.

Your television has told you to be upset about this, and they’ve only delivered it to you in platitudes, so that’s all you’ve brought with you. CNN has told you that “screech!!! They’re doing laws about drag!!!! Arghhh!”, and it inspired you to carry the platitude here. Give us an example of these laws that you object to.

At this point, your premise has no more substance than the claims they’ve fed you about Florida’s fictional “Don’t Say Gay Bill” or all the books that the right is “banning”.
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LOL. Instead of discussing the topic you make demands and attempt insults.
…while you just troll along.
Nah. Just discussing topics I wish to. Others are interested enough to discuss them with me. If that is trolling then so is every thread on the site.
Every law I have read on the matter makes it specific to the more obscene type of display. Gaudy neo-minstrel shows should not be in public. They can be held behind doors like other risque shows.
Exactly. Which is why you’ve resorted to mischaracterizing it as an issue with men wearing clothing that it traditionally worn by women. You’re just working from the platitudes your TV has given you because they know the issue is not defensible on its facts.

You seriously posted a picture of Superman to this thread.

…and no doubt think that Desantis banned the word “gay” in Florida …
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