Did you know a horse does not pull a load ?

agmantoo said:

Tango, the collar is pushed, that I agree. However the load is pulled. You ever try to push a trace, be it leather,chain, or rope?

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The horse pushes against the collar which has a set of hames fastened around the collar.

The bolt or ring that is on the hames, ( which the traces are conected to ) is the point of change from pushing and pulling.

The hames are used to pull all of the loads.

When the horse is used to back a load backwards, the horse also pushes the load by the britching strap that is around the hind end of the horse.

Either moving forward or backward the horse is always pushing on the load
( either with it's shoulders forward or it's hips backwards )

A horse never pulls a load.
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Don't you remember physics class?!

The horse is actually pushing against the ground with its feet, not against the harness with its shoulders. The wagon pulls on the horse and the horse pulls on the wagon. The wagon sits still as the force of the pulls are equal. The acceleration of the cart is determined by the net force of the pull divided by the mass of the cart.
The wagon pulls the horse backwards, and the ground pushes the horse forward. The net force is determined by the relative sizes of these two forces.
If the ground pushes harder on the horse than the wagon pulls, there is a net force in the forward direction, and the horse accelerates forward.
If the wagon pulls harder on the horse than the ground pushes, there is a net force in the backward direction, and the horse accelerates backward. (This wouldn't happen on level ground, but it could happen on a hill...)
If the force that the wagon exerts on the horse is the same size as the force that the ground exerts, the net force on the horse is zero, and the horse does not accelerate. In any case, the acceleration of the horse equals the net force on the horse divided by the horse's mass.

The horse pushes backwards on the ground to pull the cart forward.

Bumpus started a thread about Newton's Second and Third Laws of Motion Dynamics.

One of the best examples of horses pushing would be to show them harnessed to a header and header barge. They are used to top wheat for threshing.

The horses are behind the barge propelling it forward. The driver/operator half stands/half sits on a seat almost directly over a tail wheel that is used for steering. The wheel is a lot like a caster and is guided from a board coming off of the stem of it. The board is between the operators knees and he moves it about with them.

The clattering sickle at the front of the barge spooks a lot of horses, but with the barge in front of them they don't see a place of escape and tend to settle down and work pretty good.

Now about those cowboys that throw a lasso over something and wrap it around their saddle horn---- Isn't that pulling? Also what keeps the rope from nearly cutting the cowboys leg off? Seems to me that rope would have a lot of down pressure on it.

bumpus said:

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That is what I said a Horse does not pull a load.

A horse that is in a harness pushes a load with his or her shoulders with a collar which is over their shoulders, which is connected to two large straps of long leather which is connected to the load.

The horse then moves forward and pushes the load with their shoulders by pushing against the collar.

If you ever go to the state fairs that have horse pulls, just remember it is really a Horse Pull.

The only real way a horse can pull a load is if you tie it to their tail and they walk forward. Or the horse could use it's teeth to pull on something small and light weight.

A horse pushes a wagon, a plow, a sled, a log, etc.

An ox does the same thing, it pushes a load with it's shoulders.

Horses and Ox do not pull loads they push a loads.
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I get what you mean.. but.. the location of the attachment is not what differentiates a push from a pull.. the horse is not pushing the weight away from his physical body.. like a benchpress.. pushing is to exert force away from you.. even if the object doesnt move and you do... take an anchor pull.. same thing.. its a pull no matter where the arms are. This is a physics term.. think of it that way.. what direction is the force exerted what direction is the energy direct opposed to the object at rest? Thats how you decide.. if the horse walked backwards that would be a push.. likely break the harness trying haha.. but... doesnt matter where the weight is attached.. hes not moving the attachment.. hes just moving forward an its being drug with him. Whats confusing you is lifting.. lol.. horses dont benchpress lol.. use first principles in all things.. it clears things up.. even when your being lied to relentlessly hahaha.. go to the root of problem or question work up.. you never fail that way, even if its redundant you wouldnt believe the subtle things you miss.

Yep. Slow day. Here are some old lyrics for contemplation.

If buttercups buzzed after the bee,
If boats were on land,
Churches on sea,
If ponies rode men,
And if grass ate the corn,
And if cats should be chased
Into holes by the mouse,
If the mammas sold their babies
To the Gypsies for half a crown,
If summer were spring,
And the other way 'round,
Then all the world would be upside down.