diatomaceous earth

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  1. Bluehare

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    does anyone mix de with their feed? i have heard it helps control some parasites particularly coccsidia in rabbits and chickens- anyone know of any scientific studies or veterinary recommendations ?
     
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    DE has no effect on internal parasites, and no nutritional benefits.
    It's mostly Silica (chemically the same as sand) and passes through the body unchanged.
     
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    That seems to disagree with every result I get when I google "diatomaceous earth kill internal parasites". Obviously if you have parasites in the musculature it wouldn't do anything but if you're talking the intestinal tract, the common wisdom seems to be that diatomaceous earth is very sharp and kind of serrated so damages parasites that come into contact with it.
     
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    If you will read closely how it works, it kills insects by "abrasion and dehydration".
    It doesn't work at all once it's wet.

    Also note the vast majority of the sites that sing it's praises are also trying to sell you some.

    The parasites in an animals stomach never "come into contact" with the particles due to the thin layer of liquid which keeps them separated.

    http://npic.orst.edu/factsheets/degen.html
    Don't fall for the sales hype.
    DE is worthless for treating internal parasites.

    http://extension.umd.edu/learn/diatomaceous-earth-de
    http://www.sheepandgoat.com/articles/DE.html
     
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    I'm not trying to be argumentive but here's one study.

    Summary:
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    ... BB hens treated with dietary DE had significantly lower Capillaria FEC, slightly lower Eimeria FEC, fewer birds infected with Heterakis, and significantly lower Heterakis worm burden than control BB hens. ...
    BB hens consuming the DE diet laid larger eggs containing more albumen and yolk than hens consuming the control diet. In a subsequent experiment, the effectiveness of DE to treat a Northern fowl mite (Ornithonyssus sylviarum) infestation was tested. Relative to controls, both breeds of hens that were dusted with DE had reduced number of mites. The results of this study indicate the DE has the potential to be an effective treatment to help control parasites and improve production of organically raised, free-range layer hens."""


    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21673156
     
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    Yes, that's one study that showed some positive results in some of the birds, and negative results in the rest of the birds.

    The Northern Fowl Mites mentioned are external parasites.

    It concludes "it has the potential", which means it might or might not.

    From your source:
    There are many more studies showing it has no effect than there are showing any positive results.
    https://www.cambridge.org/core/jour...-beef-steers/1E1900A4511C675D94FFFB0818EAB60B

    This is the first study you posted in it's entirety:
    https://academic.oup.com/ps/article...ous-earth-on-parasite-load-egg?searchresult=1

    They stated:
    They noted the hens fed DE increased food intake, but also stated:
    So eating plain sand can have the same effects in that regard.
    Eating more would explain the larger egg size.
     
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    It seems to help with my chickens. I feed non GMO chicken feed, that already has it mixed in. I haven't tried it with my rabbit yet. I've also heard that apple cider vinegar helps with parasites.
     
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    I use apple cider vinegar and garlic in their water
     
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    It's added to lots of grains in storage to kill insects and help the grain flow more freely since the fine dust can act as a lubricant.

    The vinegar actually does something beneficial, which is preventing algae from growing in the water. Too much garlic could alter the flavor of the eggs.
     
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    Yeah I learned that the hard way,lol.
     
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    I often like a little garlic in egg dishes, but it's not so good in Chess pie or Angel Food cakes ;)
     
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    Lol that would taste horrible
     
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    Garlic and vinegar are often touted but never proven to do anything for parasites - or other health issues that they're commonly used for.

    Diatomaceous earth does nothing internally but waste your money and time, IMO. In the times I've used it externally, it did little to nothing as well. ;)
     
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    I've found Garlic works great for keeping vampires at bay.
    In all the years I've had garlic in the house, I've not seen one vampire at all.
     
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