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Discussion in 'Homesteading Questions' started by moopups, Dec 14, 2003.
Just heard it on CNN, more as I hear it. Sunday a.m., the 14th.
It is confermed, Saddam was caught yesterday about 8:00 pm Iraq time, found hideing in a basement 'spider hole' with 2 Ak47s. 1 pistol and $750,000.00 in US funds. ID is confermed.
Mitch - I'm seeing this all over the news.
the thought that crosses my mind -
what revenge is is followers going to start acting out? Is this a spark to start a greater explosion of attacks on USA here and there?
I'm going to be watching and seeing what happens next.
I hope it all works out very well for all involved.
But I don't like the idea of him having food, clothing and shelter at my expense for the rest of his life (which since he's healthy - may be a long time.)
well they did catch him and he is alive thank goodness!!!! Now we have to watch for the backlash ........should be an interesting couple of weeks.....pray for our troups.........
After Bush's fake "turkey served" photo-op I have a hard time believing anything the news reports. How do we know this is not one of the many "Saddam doubles" that he had surrounding him. Anybody do any DNA testing?
DNA tests were confermed.
I think we should be real christian about it- and refer him to a higher court .A lot of kids left their homes and went half way arround the world, leaving family and loved ones to capture that guy- and 500 came home-in a metal box.They will never see the sun set, never hold their wives , husbands, or kids again.They won't be sitting down for Christmas this year- or ever again.And all there is left is a picture on the mantle and a hole in our hearts.Then there are the millions of Iraqui men women and children who died at their own governments hand-and every one of them's blood is on Sadam's hands.Yes- he should be required to explain himself to God asap
And,yes, I am a Canadian, whose government opted to side with the French- whose oil cotracts with Sadam were more important that the people who lived under Sadam's reign of terror. Most of us were embarrased by our governments stand.Wereally didn't have the troops to send- they were in Afganistan, but the least we could have done was given our moral support.And , in fact, many Canadian troops did serve alongside their American under existing military agreements
My Nephew served with the Marines and was at the ''sharp end'' rolling into Bagdad.He came home- for which we thank God.
Can anyone tell me what we are hunting this man down for? He didn't do anything to us. There are no weapons of mass destruction. Feeding and clothing him for life for Bush to get revenge for his father. All we wanted was their oil. This had nothing to do with 9-11. I for one and saddened that he was found. He has less chance of a black man accused or raping a white woman in Mississippi of any sort of fairness. Bush sent this country on a witch hunt at the expense of our men and women in uniform, and I for one don't support that. It has cost us and will continue to cost more than the money it will take to keep Saddan imprisonened for life. :no:
Maybe you should ask the widows and orphans of the Northern Kurds that question- or the survivors of his tortures.Or the countless thousands who he had murdered.
Matter of fact if we felt this way, why did we worry about the Polish Jews- or the people of europe- after all- Hitler didn't do anything to us either.....
I stand in awe of the young men and women who left their secure homeland to go half way around the world and fight for people who couldn't fight for themselves.And some won't be coming back.
AMEN, Unregistered!!!!!!!!!Not finding Weapons of Mass Dest. doesn;t mean they didn't exist!! He had a full year of knowing we were coming to get RID of it. Ask ex-pres clinton if he had any--He made several speeches back in 98, 99, etc... saying that he KNEW he had it. Was HE lying? If anyone had something to gain fromthis situation, it is the countries and organizations who were making millions from the status-quo--i.e. FRANCE and the UN --both of whom were making millions on military equip sold and fees on the oil iraq sold for food.
I know i am not going to make any points here from those who don;t believe inthis cause--but no matter what the Pres says, i believe my BIL who is a special teams Marine. He can 't say what he knows, but he is 100% behind this operation, and tells us to have confidence that there is plenty there to find.
Leaving people to be tortured and killed and gassed and mutilated and raped is not peace, it is isolationism. It's not our business, so why get involved? I wonder where was all the protest when we sent people to Bosia (they are still there by the way)? Some of my BIL's team were taken out by sniperfire there.
I personally don;t care if we ever find Anthrax there--just knowing that girls there and in Afghanistan will now get to go to school is enough for me.
This explains for you why we went there. I also believe the blood of the innocents (Kurds and Iraqui citizens) was crying out to God and He freed them using the U.S.
It is great that they found him. The troops have worked hard to get him. We still should not have gone. We went because Iraq was an iminent danger to the US. Now that we are there we had to find him. Doesn't make it a wise idea to be there in the first place.
No one denies that Hussain is/was a *bad* guy. Even the most ardent anti-war liberal knows that and has always known it. So it's good that he's been caught.
But the many crimes he has committed have been committed against the Iraqi people - and they need to be the ones to bring him to trial and punish him. Besides - if we (the US) do it - all his supporters will blame us.
Besides, just the fact that he's been caught doesn't allay the doubts people have about why we went to war in the first place. Yes, he was a *bad* man. Unfortunately, there are several *bad* leaders around the world. Why Saddam Hussain and why was the US so insistent on getting him that it steamrolled over opposition from the rest of the world? Was Iraq indeed an 'imminent threat'?? Do we (the US) have the right to invade a sovereign country because we *know* they're a threat to us? What if it turns out that they are not a threat?? Do we have the right to impose our form of government on other countries??
I'm glad Saddam is caught. But that doesn't erase the doubts I have about the war itself and the motives of our leaders. President Bush and his close ties to the oil industry still make me very wary.
Not for anything but this should be in GC not here.
Personnal I'm glad he has been caught but I don't think its gonna matter that much...
I don't think the girls saved from rape over the past 9 months care what the oil industry's motives are. And a recent news release has referenced a memo written in one of SH's head honcho's handwriting talking about training Atta in destroying the target "we've chosen"... Check it out in London's Sunday Telegraph.
Iraq was a threat because they supported international terrorism, they shot at our pilots almost daily for 11 years, and they had a supply of anthrax that coincidentally is the same chemical that was floating around in our mail for a period of time, they harbored and trained terrorists.
Do we have a right to impose our form of government? Well, don't we have a responsibility to the suffering people of the world to do what we can? Don't YOU feel the responsibility to your fellow man to do what you can? While we bicker and complain over the tiniest things in this country, the people of Iraq were murdered and tortured for less than that. Do YOU not feel better knowing that this has ended because of the action of your government?
I am glad he has been caught. I never thought it was necessary to have a war just to get him though, the reasons are still very suspect to me also. That being said, when I seen his capture I was struck by the idea that so many thousands of innocent people had been terrorized for so long by this strange unkept looking man. He just didn't look so tough anymore without his bodyguards and presidential palaces, he looked , ordinary. In the end all the terror and abuse he handed out came back to him as the law of karma dictates, or, "we reap what we sow". To go from having absolute power over people to having none, even in your own life, must create quite a battleground within his mind, his hell lies there. It didn't surprise me that he didn't put up a fight. Such people who can justify the killing of thousands and withholding a decent standard of living from people while they grow fat and rich are nothing more than cowards to begin with. I bet he's too afraid to kill himself, I probably would want to avoid that judgement as long as I could too. Oh how the mighty have fallen!
You might not be aware, but Iraq was run as a secular government and girls were not prevented from going to school at all.
And in Afghanistan, girls who live in areas outside the control of the central government are still having trouble getting an education:
Girls still standing outside the classroom door
As the second post-Taleban school year begins, poverty and prejudice are still keeping girls out of education.
By Ahmad Hanayesh and Mustafa Basharat (ARR No.55, 04-Apr-03)
In Kabul thousands of Afghan girls are beginning school for the second year since the collapse of the Taleban. But just outside the city limits, seven-year-old Nasreen wonders when it will be her turn.
Now that Sadam has been caught- I hope he will be tried in Iraq, by Iraqui's.I also hope that the US is able to support local government and then pack up and come home as soon as possible.The blunt truth is, no matter what the motive is, People don't like seeing foreign troops on their soil.It's quite a paradox, because although they suffered under Sadam ,it's still their country and they want to run it, and Americans will never be accepted there.The US needs to stay until the risk of insurection is lessened, but once a government is set up, leave.
The oil belongs to Iraq and they can sell it on the world market to pay for their own reconstruction
East is East and West is West, and ne're the twain will meet-Kipling
We're never going to agree completely about these things but it's nice to live in a country where we can complain and criticize without having our throats cut or our families gassed. All this talk about GB only doing this for his dad or oil or whatever .... I dunno, seems like he has faith in God and believes in prayer. That makes me think his motives and character look a bit more sterling than the last guy in the White House.
Seems like we just need to do what we can, where we can, when we can. Like any bully in the schoolyard, Soddum dishes it out but can't take it. I'm glad he was taken alive because he can now be shown to his followers as what he is - a coward who will think nothing of turning in his closest supporters if it's to his advantage. There will always be many motives for an action like the war in Iraq but, ultimately, we have to each decide whether we support letting a monster like Soddum continue to rape, torture and murder anyone who displeases him.