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hi everybody! Welcome to the NEW Oddments topic. :D The previous one got so full, we've started a new ones. So hello and start posting your comments, suggestions, and recipe tests from the Oddments Chapter here!
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A couple of UK books about money management which have accompanied an excellent, very accessible TV series.

Money for Life
Alvin Hall
ISBN: 034079321X

Your Money or Your Life: A Practical Guide to Solving Your Financial Problems and Affording a Life You'll Love
Alvin Hall
ISBN: 0340823208
 

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Carla Emery said:
Are you now done with just Oddments or with ALL the chapters I have sent you to date? If so, which ones do you want me to send next. I have failed to keep track of what you have gotten so far.
So far.....

Oddments - COMPLETED
Poultry - COMPLETED
Grains - Practically Complete
Cows, Goats & Dairy - Practically Complete
Trees - 1/4 complete
Herbs - Not yet started

As for what to send next, I am happy to leave that to your discretion.
 

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Carla Emery said:
Yes, I would like a list of the UK Ag colleges that have an organic gardening/farming program.
Askham Bryan College
http://www.askham-bryan.ac.uk/
Homepage of Askham Bryan College, an affiliate of the University of Leeds, which was established in 1948 and specialises in land based studies. Information is provided on the range of further and higher education courses available at the College, which include a selection of part-time courses. Higher education courses focus on three main areas; agriculture, horticulture, and business and design. Details of the College's training services and events is provided.

Barony College
http://www.barony.ac.uk/
Homepage of Barony College, a further education college based in South West Scotland, which offers a range of qualifications in agriculture, agricultural engineering, horticulture, forestry, animal care, countryside management, environmental resources, deer farming and fishery studies. This site provides information on Barony College, and on the range of full, part-time and short courses available.

Bicton College of Agriculture
http://www.bicton.ac.uk/
Homepage of Bicton College, a further education college based in Devon, which offers a range of qualifications in agriculture, horticulture, floristry, animal care, veterinary nursing, countryside management, mechanisation and engineering, business management, outdoor leisure management and equine studies. This site provides information on Bicton College, and on the range of full, part-time and short courses available.

Bishop Burton College
http://www.bishopburton.ac.uk/
Bishop Burton College was established in 1954 and is situated on the edge of the Yorkshire Wolds, England. The college offers a range of further and higher education courses in land-based disciplines and related subjects, including business management, horticulture, countryside management, agriculture, and equestrian studies. Information is provided on the College, its history, educational courses, and activities. The College encompasses a college farm and information about the farm departments is provided and covers arable cropping, beef, dairy, sheep, grassland and equestrian. The College also houses the National Centre for Pig Industry training and information about the Centre, its courses and pig-related articles can be viewed online.

Broomfield College
http://www.broomfield.ac.uk/
Homepage of Broomfield College, a further education college based in Derbyshire, which offers a range of qualifications in agriculture, horticulture, floristry, animal care, conservation, organic farming and equine studies. This site provides information on Broomfield College, and on the range of full, part-time and short courses available.

Cannington College
http://www.cannington.ac.uk/
Homepage of Cannington College, a further and higher education college based in Somerset, which offers a range of qualifications in agriculture, horticulture, animal care, countryside management, food and science, mechanisation, and arboriculture. This site provides information on Cannington College, and on the range of full, part- time and short courses available.

Capel Manor Horticultural and Environmental Centre
http://www.capelmanorcollege.co.uk/
Homepage of Capel Manor College, a further and higher education college based in Middlesex, which offers a range of qualifications in land-based and environmental studies including horticulture, arboriculture, landscape design, animal care, organic gardening and saddlery technology . This site provides information on Capel Manor College, its facilities, events, and range of full, part-time and short courses available.

Centre for Precision Farming (CPF), Cranfield University
http://www.silsoe.cranfield.ac.uk/cpf/
The Centre for Precision Farming (CPF), was established at Cranfield University in 1996 and works "to co-ordinate the research into understanding and developing new technologies and methodologies to facilitate development of Precison Farming". Information is provided on the Centre, its staff, research interests and projects. An introduction to precision farming is provided and a collection of papers and thesis produced for the CPF can be viewed online, some of which are in PDF format and will require the use of Adobe Acrobat Reader.

Chichester College, Brinsbury Campus
http://www.chichester.ac.uk/About/campus/brinsbury.htm
Homepage of the Brinsbury Campus of Chichester College, formerly Brinsbury College, a further education college based in West Sussex which offers a range of qualifications in the land-based industries, including agriculture and conservation, horticulture, business management, engineering and construction, animal care and equine studies. This site provides information on Brinsbury Campus, and on the range of full, part-time and short courses available.

Carmarthenshire College of Technology and Art
http://www.csgcollege.co.uk/
Course titles:
BTEC 1st Diploma in Land Based Industries Horticulture (Organic options) (f/t)
BTEC National Diploma in Horticulture (Organic options) (f/t)

Centre for Alternative Technology
Machynlleth, Powys, SY20 9AZ, UK.
Tel: (01654) 702400
Fax: (01654) 702782
Email: [email protected]
Specialist short courses

Centre for Environment and Society
University of Essex, Wivenhoe Park, Colchester CO4 3SQ, UK.
http://www2.essex.ac.uk/ces/
Tel: 01206 872219
Course title:
Masters in Environment, Science and Society

Derby College, Broomfield Hall
http://www.broomfield.ac.uk/
Tel: (01332) 831345
Fax: (01332) 830298
Course titles:
BTEC National Award in Organic Agriculture
BTEC National Award in Organic Horticulture

Dromcollogher Organic College
An t-Ionad Glas, Dromcollogher, Co. Limerick, Ireland.
Email: [email protected]
Web: http://www.organiccollege.com/
Course titles:
One Year Certificate Course In Organic Horticulture
One Year Certificate in Organic Farming
2 Year Diploma in Organic Enterprise
Beekeeping
Sustainable Development

Dundee College
Kingsway Campus, Old Glamis Road, Dundee, DD3 8LE, UK.
http://www.dundeecoll.ac.uk
Tel: (01382) 834834
Fax: (01382) 858117
Course titles:
SCOTVEC Higher National Certificate in Horticulture (Organic options) (f/t)
SCOTVEC National Certificate in Horticulture (Organic options) (f/t)

Duchy College
http://www.duchy.ac.uk/
Home page of Duchy College, a further education college based in Cornwall, which offers a range of qualifications in agriculture, animal care, countryside, engineering, floristry, horticulture, veterinary nursing, and equine studies. This site provides information on the two campuses of Duchy College, and on the range of full and part-time courses available, as well as information about higher education courses in agricultural subjects available in Cornwall.

Easton College
http://www.easton-college.ac.uk/
Homepage of Easton College, a further education college based in Norfolk, which offers a range of qualifications in rural and business subject areas including animals, plants and the land. This site provides information on Easton College, and on the range of full, part-time and short courses available.

English Land-based Institute of Training and Education (ELITE)
http://www.elite.ac.uk/
ELITE is a consortium of 4 UK agricultural colleges; Bishop Burton College; Hartpury College; Myerscough College; and Sparsholt College; that aims "to develop collaborative ventures that will enhance land-based education and training opportunities, regionally, nationally and internationally." Information is provided on ELITE, the four composite colleges, and ELITE news and developments. Links are provided to each of the four colleges.

Elm Farm Research Centre
Hamstead Marshall, Newbury, Berkshire RG20 0HR, UK.
Tel: (01488) 658298
Fax: (01488) 658503
Email: [email protected]
Specialist short courses

Emerson College
Forest Row, East Sussex, RH18 5JX, UK.
Tel: (01342) 822238
Fax: (01342) 826055
Email: [email protected]
Course title:
Diploma in Biodynamics and Environment (f/t four month course)

Greenmount College of Agriculture
http://www.greenmount.ac.uk/studying_at_greenmount/courses/
Established in 1912, Greenmount College in County Antrim, Northern Ireland, offers a range of further and higher education courses in agriculture, environmental conservation, horticulture and equine studies. The site hosts an "enterprise index" which provides a range of resources and information on some key agricultural areas which include organic farming, business management, pig farming, sheep farming and horticulture.
Antrim, Northern Ireland, BT41 4UP, UK.
Tel: (01849) 426666
Fax: (01849) 426777
Introductory Courses in Organic Production - subject to demand

Hadlow College
http://www.hadlow.ac.uk/
Homepage of Hadlow College, a further education college based in Kent, which offers a range of qualifications in the land-based industries, including agriculture and machinery, horticulture, floristry, sports turf, animal care, leisure, and equine studies. This site provides information on Hadlow College, and on the range of full, part-time and short courses available.

Harper Adams University College
http://www.harper-adams.ac.uk/
A UK agricultural college which offers a range of courses in the land-based industries, including agriculture, food, animal health, land and estate management, business management and rural environment protection. Courses are available at undergraduate and postgraduate level and course details and admission procedures are provided. The College is a leading provider of research, consultancy and trials for agriculture and the countryside and carries out work for a range of government bodies and commercial companies. The site includes details on courses, the Student Union, student services, research, and conferences.

Hartpury College
http://www.hartpury.ac.uk/
Homepage of Hartpury College, a further and higher education college based in Gloucestershire, which offers a range of qualifications in the land-based industries, including agriculture, horticulture/landscaping, game and fishery management, golf studies, animal care, countryside and conservation, outdoor recreation and leisure, veterinary nursing, and equine studies. This site provides information on Hartpury College, and on the range of full, part-time and short courses available.

Horticultural Correspondence College
Little Norton Farm House, 16 Notton, Lacock, Chippenham, Wilts, SN15 2NF, UK.
http://www.hccollege.co.uk/Course.htm
Tel: (01249) 730326
Fax: (01249) 730326
Email: [email protected]
Course titles:
RHS General exam (Green) in Organic Gardening (Correspondence course)
Certificate in Organic Gardening (Correspondence course)
Certificate in Organic Arable Farming

Irish Organic Farmers and Growers Association
56 Blessington Street, Dublin 7, Ireland.
Tel: +353 (01) 830 7996
Fax: +353 (01) 830 0925
Email: [email protected]
Specialist short courses.

Imperial College at Wye
http://www.wye.ic.ac.uk/
Wye College was established by the Cardinal John Kempe in 1447 and is "internationally renowned for research-led teaching in Biological Sciences, the Environment, Agricultural Economics and Business Management, Agriculture and Horticulture." This site provides information about Wye (which merged with Imperial College and forms the Deparment of Agricultural Sciences), its history, courses and facilities. The College currently offers a variety of courses at undergraduate and postgraduate level, as well as distance learning programmes and short courses for continuing professional development. A collection of links to related and useful Web sites is provided.

Kingston Maurward College
http://www.kmc.ac.uk/
Homepage of Kingston Maurward College, a further education college based in Dorset, which focuses on land-related courses including agriculture, horticulture, countryside management, and outdoor recreation and leisure. This site provides information on Kingston Maurward, and on the range of full and part-time courses available at the College.

Lackham College of Agriculture
Lacock, Chippenham, Wiltshire SN15 2NY, UK.
Tel: (01249) 466800
Fax: (01249) 444474
Email: [email protected]
Course titles:
National Certificate in Organic Horticulture (f/t or p/t)
Higher National Diploma in Horticulture (Organic options) (f/t)
Lackham Certificate in Organic Horticulture (day release)

Land Based Colleges National Consortium
http://www.lbcnc.org.uk/
The Land Based Colleges National Consortium (LBCNC) exists to help colleges in land-based education collaborate, "sharing expertise and ideas and working together to ensure the best possible learning experiences for students". The Web site provides information about the LBCNC, access to the newsletter dating back to 1999 (provided in PDF requiring Adobe Acrobat reader), details of services offered to members, details of the quality assurance and evaluation programmes, and details and sample pages of teaching guides and learning packs published by the Consortium. There is also a members area of the site available only to staff in colleges which are members of the Land Based Colleges National Consortium.

Merrist Wood College
http://www.merristwood.ac.uk/
Homepage of Merrist Wood College, a further education college based in Surrey, which offers a range of qualifications in floristry, countryside management, golf studies, green keeping, horticulture, arboriculture, garden design, landscaping, animal care and equine studies. This site provides information on Merrist Wood College, and on the range of full, part-time and short courses available.

Myerscough College
http://www.myerscough.ac.uk/
Homepage of Myerscough College, a further and higher education college based in Lancashire, which offers a range of qualifications in the land-based industries, including agriculture, business, horticulture, sport and leisure, gold studies, animal care, conservation, veterinary nursing and equine studies. This site provides information on Myerscough College, and on the range of full, part-time and short courses available. Details of Myerscough news and events are provided.

The Organic Centre
Rossinver, Co. Leitrim, Ireland.
http://www.theorganiccentre.ie/courses.html
Tel: 353-72-54338
Fax: 353-72-54343
E-Mail: [email protected]
A long list of one- and two-day courses is offered.

Otley College of Agriculture and Horticulture
http://www.otleycollege.ac.uk/
Otley, Ipswich, Suffolk IP6 9EY, UK.
Homepage of Otley College, a further and higher education college based in Suffolk, which offers a range of qualifications in agriculture, horticulture, animal science, environmental conservation, and management. This site provides information on Otley College, and on the range of full, part-time and short courses available.
Tel: (01473) 785543
Fax: (01473) 785543
Email: [email protected]
Course titles:
National Certificate of Horticulture in Commercial Organic Production (f/t or p/t)
National Certificate in Holistic Horticulture (f/t or p/t)
National Certificate in Agriculture (organic options) (f/t or p/t)
Higher National Certificate in Sustainable Environments (p/t)

Oatridge Agricultural College
http://www.oatridge.ac.uk/
Oatridge Agricultural College is located 15 miles west of Edinburgh in West Lothian, Scotland. The college offers a range of further education courses in land-based disciplines and related subjects, covering agriculture, animal care, engineering, farriery, environment & conservation, horse management, horticulture and landscaping. Information is provided on the College, its educational courses, and activities. Details of College news and events is also available.

Organic farming at SAC
http://www.sac.ac.uk/cropsci/external/orgserv/Default.htm
The Scottish Agricultural College (SAC) encompasses 3 study centres, 8 veterinary centres, 7 research and development farms and 23 local advisory offices situated throughout Scotland. This site is the homepage of the SAC organic farming department and details the Colleges services, teaching and research interests in this field. Information is provided on the SAC Organic Farming Centre, and SAC organic farms. Information and advice on organic farming is provided and an organic conversion information pack is available online which offers guidance to farmers considering the switch to organic production. Technical notes are provided for download in PDF, requiring Adobe AcrobatReader.

Plumpton College
http://www.plumpton.ac.uk/Homepage of Plumpton College, a further and higher education college based in East Sussex, which offers a range of qualifications in the countryside, agriculture, horticulture, forestry, animal care and equine studies. This site provides information on Plumpton College, and on the range of full, part-time and short courses available.

Pershore and Hindlip College of Horticulture
Avon Bank, Pershore, Worcestershire, WR10 3JP, UK.
http://www.pershore.ac.uk/
The Pershore Group of Colleges is one of the UK's premier land-based colleges and is composed of three colleges; Pershore College, Hindlip College, and Holme Lacy College. This site provides information about the Colleges, their courses, research activities and events. Collectively the colleges offer educational opportunities in a wide range of land-based disciplines including agriculture, business programmes, food & cider, horticulture, garden design, land & environment, and leisure and tourism.
Tel: (01386) 552443
Fax: (01386) 556528
Course title:
BTEC Professional Development Award in Sustainable Land Use (Organic options) (f/t or p/t)

Royal Agricultural College
Cirencester, GL7 6JS, UK.
http://www.royagcol.ac.uk/
The Royal Agricultural College was established in 1842 and offers a range of diploma, degree, postgraduate and short courses in agriculture and related disciplines. Information is provided on the research activities of the College, and details of their current research projects are available.
Tel: +44 (0)1285 652531
Fax: +44 (0)1285 650219
Email: [email protected]
Course titles:
BSc Hons Agriculture (organic farming)
MSc Organic Agricultural systems
Web: http://www.royagcol.ac.uk/undergrad_courses/Organic.htm
Web: http://www.royagcol.ac.uk/postgrad_courses/course_sheets/orgagri.htm

Reaseheath College
http://www.reaseheath.ac.uk/
Homepage of Reaseheath College, a further and higher education college based in Cheshire, which offers a range of qualifications in agriculture and the countryside, engineering and construction, food and dairy technology, greenkeeping and sports turf, horticulture and floristry, animal care and equine studies. This site provides information on Reaseheath College and its services, and on the range of full, part-time and short courses available. A collection of online/interactive learning materials are accessible via this site and cover a range of topics including animal welfare legislation, a business research tutorial, and a periodic table of the elements. A collection of links to related Web sites is also provided.

Rodbaston College
http://www.rodbaston.ac.uk/
Homepage of Rodbaston College, a further education college based in Staffordshire, which offers a range of qualifications in agriculture, agricultural engineering, horticulture, floristry, animal care, gamekeeping, conservation, fisheries studies, veterinary nursing and equine studies. This site provides information on Rodbaston College, and on the range of full, part-time and short courses available.

Sparsholt College
http://www.sparsholt.ac.uk/college.htm
Sparsholt College opened in 1899 as the "Farm School" at Old Basing before relocating to Sparsholt in 1914 where the college has continued to grow and develop. This site provides information about the College, its history, estate, courses and facilities. The College offers a range of courses in the land-based industries, and details of Sparsholts' practical resources, social resources and learning support facilities are outlined.
UK; agricultural colleges; agricultural education

Scottish Agricultural College
http://www.sac.ac.uk/
Ferguson Building, Craibstone, Bucksburn, Aberdeen AB21 9YA, UK.
The Scottish Agricultural College encompasses 3 study centres, 8 veterinary centres, 7 research and development farms and 23 local advisory offices situated throughout Scotland. Services offered by SAC include advanced education and training, expert advice and consultancy and specialist research and development. This site provides information about the College, its divisions, research interests and development projects and educational curriculum.
Tel: (01224) 711000
Fax: (01224) 711290
Contact: David Younie
Email: [email protected]
Course titles:
MSc Sustainable Agriculture (f/t)
Higher National Diploma in Agriculture (Organic options) (f/t)
BSc Honours in Environmental Management (f/t)
Postgraduate Diploma/Master of Science in Organic Farming (further information)

University of Newcastle upon Tyne
Web: http://www.ncl.ac.uk/tcoa/teaching.htm
Department of Agriculture, King George VI Building, Newcastle upon Tyne, NE1 7RU, UK.
Tel/Fax: 01661 830 222
Email: [email protected]
Course title:
BSc in Agriculture with Honours in Organic Food Production
3 year full time course (UCAS code D410)

Welsh Institute of Rural Studies (WIRS)
University of Wales, Aberystwyth, Ceredigion, SY23 3AL, UK.
Web: http://www.aber.ac.uk/~pgawww/web/sship.htm
Tel: +44 (0)1970 622248
Fax: +44 (0)1970 611264
Contact: Nic Lampkin
Email: [email protected]
Course titles:
BSc in Agriculture with Organic Agriculture (f/t)
BSc in Rural Resources Management (organic options) (f/t)
Higher National Diploma in Agriculture (organic option) (f/t)
PhD studentships in organic farming

Working Weekends on Organic Farms
19 Bradford Road, Lewes, East Sussex BN7 1RB, UK
Tel: (01273) 476286
Fax: (01273) 476286

Wye College, University of London
Wye, Ashford, Kent TN25 5AH, UK.
Tel: (01233) 812401
Fax: (01233) 813320
Email: [email protected]
Course title:
MSc Sustainable Agriculture (f/t)

Walford College
http://www.walford-college.ac.uk/
Homepage of Walford College, a further and higher education college based in Shropshire, which offers a range of qualifications in agriculture, horticulture, agricultural engineering, animal care, sports marketing, land use and conservation, and equine studies. This site provides information on Walford College, and on the range of full, part-time and short courses available.

Welsh College of Horticulture (Coleg Garddewriaeth Cymru)
http://www.wcoh.ac.uk/
Homepage of the Welsh College of Horticulture, a further education college based in Wales, which offers a range of qualifications in horticulture, floristry, animal care, conservation, and equine studies. This site provides information on the College, and on the range of full, part-time and short courses available.

Writtle College
http://www.writtle.ac.uk/
Homepage of Writtle College, a further and higher education college based in Essex, which offers a range of qualifications in agriculture, horticulture, rural environment and conservation, engineering, applied plant science, animal science, equine studies, leisure management and business management. This site provides information on Writtle College, and on the range of full, part-time and short courses available.
 

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oh, wow...ask Greg O. and you shall receive! But I only list the colleges that have programs in ALTERNATIVE/ORGANIC type agriculture. Is that true of ALL those you name?
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page 19-21, 9th Edition

Literary/environmental magazine Family Earth ceased publication in January of 1996.

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pp. 19-21, 9th Edition

Progressive Farmer
2100 Lakeshore Drive
Birmingham, AL 35209

Website: www.ProgressiveFarmer.com
Email: [email protected]
Customer Service: 800-292-2340

Subscriptions:
$18 for 11 issues
Send to:
PO Box 62376
Tampa, FL 33662-3768

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Carla Emery said:
oh, wow...ask Greg O. and you shall receive! But I only list the colleges that have programs in ALTERNATIVE/ORGANIC type agriculture. Is that true of ALL those you name?
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None of them offer exclusively organic/alternative courses, but all have at least one course of this type. Many have it has a postgraduate course, but a number are introducing undergraduate and short course versions as well.
 

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Anne, thanks for the updating on those magazines!

Greg, I went ahead and made a selection from the vast supply you provided. Trimmed it by about half according to how organic they sounded. What a great addition for the international 10th!
Gratefully,
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I hope I'm not being redundant, but here goes:

Oddments chapter, page 21. Correct website is www.foxfire.org, not foxfire.com.

Page 28: Michigan State U ag website: www.canr.msu.edu/agtech/

Page 44: Old Mill Mercantile: webiste no longer good, checked web yellow pages, company may not be around anymore

website: www.nopowernoproblem.com not working

Page 47: www.ibt.et/ramco same as above

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Terry, if you're working from a 9th edition, don't bother. That contact info is from 1993. If you're working from the printout of the 10th edition that I sent you, then I'm very grateful for the input. I checked all the contact info back in the first 6 months of 2002, but there are over 1500 contacts described in the book and something or other is always changing. Very hard to keep up with...
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Printed to date...

Terry...I think I got your file mixed up with somebody else's and sent you the wrong chapters. I see I've sent you Poultry, Oddments, and Grains (sent 5-29-03). I should have sent you Vegetables, Herbs, and Grains. Well, at least, I have gotten one right so far. I'll send out Herbs and Vegetables to you within the next few days.
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OK. Here goes. This is my first post and I am a little nervous. So, let me know if I did it right. These are all 9th edition.

p9. real estate agents: If you are a buyer and have an agent representing you, the seller's agent splits his commission with the buyer's agent. Sometimes if the buyer has an agent, the seller's agent won't want to deal with them because they don't want to split money. (When we were signing a contract on some land, the seller's realtor gave us a paper that said she could work for both parties as the buyer and seller's agent.)

p12. title insurance: usually the seller of the property pays for title insurance. (we were trying to sell our house and were told by the title company that the seller usually pays for it)

p12. Ask! ASCS is now FSA-Farm Service Agency. My mom works for them. They still do everything they did before, they just changed the name.

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Oops, accidentally posting in the wrong place. Just deleted the old post and moved this here. Hopefully this is correct now.

A couple of things that I hope are not redundant. I know you said this was almost done, but maybe it will be helpful.

10th Edition Oddments pg 16 - Homeschool is legal in all 50 states but each state has their own regulations and requirements. Some states have great homeschool laws with little to no regulations, others are much more restrictive. If you wish to have the option to homeschool, now or in the future, check the state laws when deciding on a place to live. The internet is a great place to find out about homeschool laws and restrictions in different states. Calling your local school board may result in mis-information. Some Internet Resources: http://www.home-ed-magazine.com/
http://hslda.org/laws/

Pg 64 - A teepee fire is not the best option for cooking. Unless you are roasting hotdogs or marshmellows on a stick, I recommend a criss-cross method, start with your kindling and slowly add progressively larger sticks and logs as it burns. There are even better styles for outdoor cooking but generally TP fires are for pleasure, not cooking. Also, it refers you to the Tree section for more info.. unless it was added in 10, the 9th edition only covers wood stoves from what I can see and not other types of fires.

Good addition to resources would be lodgemfg.com for cookware and the only place I know that you can purchase a campfire set (with a variety of hooks for pots) is through campfirecafe.com. We cooked outdoors quite extensively when we were clearing and preparing our land and had some fantastic meals. DH requests outdoor meals often and is still a great option when it is hot.

Page 72 - Digging a well by hand is extremely dangerous. You might wish to change the wording as even though you say to get a well professionally drilled, you mention "So people must dig ever deeper to get water".. you might wish to change this to the word ~drill~.

Page 75 - Scorpions - Not all scorpions are life threatening. The ones found here in the southeast are "normally" treated as bee stings, watching for signs of allergic reaction only and do not require medical attention. I have been stung twice this spring with no adverse affects, although I did panic at first because I thought all scorpions were extremely dangerous.

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Hi Carla -

Digging a well may be dangerous, but people all over the world have had to do it, and I would vote that you keep hand digging info intact in case anyone ever needs it. Nathan Griffith's _Husbandry_ has good and more detailed descriptions on hand-dug wells, their benefits and dangers.

I was looking to see if there was anything (even just references) on permaculture in the 9th edition, and didn't notice anything. I'm not an expert at all, I'm sure there are others who know much more or who have taken the design courses, but permaculture is so important to sustainable living, particularly outside the US. I was wondering if (as I finish up my oddments chapter) it would be useful to add a paragraph on permaculture with book and web references for finding out more.

Re: Flatirons - my amish neighbors don't bother with old fashioned flatirons. They go to yard sales, buy an old regular iron, and just stick it on top of the woodstove. Works great, although wisely, with 9 children, they try not to iron much but sunday aprons and caps.

I love your, "how to pinch a penny" section, but I wanted to add two more things The thing I've done that has made me the most money as a homesteader is give stuff away - that extra chair I don't need, spare tomatoes, magazines after I'm done with them (often picked up for free at the library), daylily divisions. When you give someone something, it always comes back a thousand times, I think. I gave some catnip to a friends' aunt, and got back a yard's worth of perennials and shrubs from her garden. I drop some spare eggs by the neighbors and they come and fix my lawn mower. I offer a friend some extra baby clothes, and it turns out she has friends looking to get rid of 10 laying ducks. I help a neighbor put in a garden, and she builds our farm a website. Nobody is so poor they don't have anything to give away, even if it is just their time. And when you give stuff, people start looking out to see if there's anything they don't need that you might. You get friendships back, and material goods, and you have the joy of knowing that what you can't use is going to good use. I think the best way to start saving is to start giving.

The other thing that might be good for that section is this - if you have friends and neighbors you like and trust, remember, you don't need 2 of everything. Does it really take 2 tractors to care for their 15 acres and your 10? Do you need 2 vacuum cleaners? 2 ladders? Can you grow the zucchini and she grow the pumpkins so that you can both share and both save seed? This can be hard to get started, but my neighbors and I have shared a lawnmower, a car (both of us have a mostly stay-at-home parent and neither family needs 2 cars, but both families need more than 1), appliances, gardens, a washing machine (when hers was broken), babysitting, etc... You can get by with a lot fewer things if you have some of what they need and they have some of what you need.

Sharon
 
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