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Discussion in 'Homesteading Questions' started by Lynne, May 19, 2006.

  1. Lynne

    Lynne Well-Known Member

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    I received this today, while there is probably nothing I can do about it(got any ideas) I'm still not happy to get this news. Just change my routine of storing gas and pray that I don't run out of fuel on the lake when no one is around.
    Whine, whine, whine.



    May 18, 2006

    Dear fellow boaters,

    Ethanol gasoline is now here in Maryland and PA and we have no choice.

    Ethanol fuel is gasoline mixed with grain alcohol. The grain alcohol
    (ethanol) is replacing a more toxic octane enhancer. Octane is a measure of
    flammability of gasoline. The higher the octane, the faster the burn.

    Why is this happening to us? Ethanol gasoline isn't new. It has been used in
    23 states since 1978. The Northeast has been regulated to use another fuel
    enhancer until this May. Now we will join the rest of the country.

    Boats use less than 1% of the fuel used in the US. The oil companies and EPA
    don't think we use enough fuel to cause concerns of the effects of their
    decisions.

    There are problems we will all have to endure switching to ethanol/gasoline:

    The ethanol fuel starts to loose octane after 15 days in your boats fuel
    tank.

    This can cause severe engine damage.

    Do not fill your tank up unless you plan to use the fuel. If you are just
    running short distances, keep your fuel tank less full so you will need to
    refuel more often in smaller amounts.

    The ethanol cleans your fuel tank and sends the deposits towards your
    engine.

    Ethanol promotes the gathering of water in your fuel tank.

    Your fuel water separator filter should be changed every 50 hours. For most
    of you, that means at least once in the summer.

    If you do get water in your fuel..do not use dry gas. Drygas will only add
    to your problem and will cause the fuel and water to separate.

    Boats with older fiberglass fuel tanks (1980 and older) will have problems
    with the ethanol dissolving the fiberglass resin.

    Fuel stabilizer that can be added to your fuel cannot be alcohol based.

    Ethanol gasoline will stain fiberglass gel coat.

    In the fall, you should run down the volume in your fuel tanks before
    storage.

    We are installing all the necessary filters and are going through all the
    testing to make Glen Cove Marina ready for the change over.
    Sincerely,

    *********

    The following from several website:
    Ethanol fuel will cause your fuel filters to plug up more easily. You should
    change your water separating fuel filters about every 50 hours. It's a good
    idea to keep extra fuel filters on board incase this happens on the water.


    Do not mix any fuel you have from last season with the new ethanol fuel. You
    should burn down the fuel from last year before you add the ethanol fuel.
    The ethanol fuel promotes the gathering of water in your fuel tank. You may
    add fuel stabilizer (which is not alcohol based) to your fuel tank to help
    prevent this. The water/ethanol mixture, being heavier than gas, will sink
    to the bottom of the gas tank, leaving the lower octane gas on top. (Yamaha
    Customers: you should be using 87 fuel only, except for the F250 which
    should use 89 only). 2-stroke engines may be damaged if a quantity of
    water/ethanol is ingested since the proper lubricating oil won't be present.
    Do not use dry gas in your tank if you do get water in the fuel, this will
    only make problems worse by causing the fuel and water to separate. Keeping
    water out of the fuel tank is very important.



    Boats made before the mid-1980's, and have a fiberglass gas tank are also
    going to experience a problem with the ethanol. The ethanol dissolves the
    fiberglass resin, possibly to the point of leaking. Ethanol also will stain
    fiberglass gel coat, so be careful while filling up.


    Here's the text of a letter being sent from Bayside Marine in Duxbury to all
    their customers Ethanol fuel will cause your fuel filters to plug up more
    easily. You should change your water separating fuel filters about every 50
    hours. It's a good idea to keep extra fuel filters on board incase this
    happens on the water.


    Do not mix any fuel you have from last season with the new ethanol fuel. You
    should burn down the fuel from last year before you add the ethanol fuel.
    The ethanol fuel promotes the gathering of water in your fuel tank. You may
    add fuel stabilizer (which is not alcohol based) to your fuel tank to help
    prevent this. The water/ethanol mixture, being heavier than gas, will sink
    to the bottom of the gas tank, leaving the lower octane gas on top. (Yamaha
    Customers: you should be using 87 fuel only, except for the F250 which
    should use 89 only). 2-stroke engines may be damaged if a quantity of
    water/ethanol is ingested since the proper lubricating oil won't be present.
    Do not use dry gas in your tank if you do get water in the fuel, this will
    only make problems worse by causing the fuel and water to separate. Keeping
    water out of the fuel tank is very important .



    Boats made before the mid-1980's, and have a fiberglass gas tank are also
    going to experience a problem with the ethanol. The ethanol dissolves the
    fiberglass resin, possibly to the point of leaking. Ethanol also will stain
    fiberglass gel coat, so be careful while filling up.
     
  2. Jan Doling

    Jan Doling Well-Known Member

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    Get a sail for your boat.
     

  3. Lynne

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  4. gspig

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    I've been following this on boating forums. The only aspect of this letter that is nearly confirmed is the damage to fiberglass fuel tanks. Ethanol will readily mix with water, so there may be some issue with storing the boat with full tanks over the winter. There has been some discussion with fuel seperating if it sits for a long period, but I have not run accross the loss of octain issue before. The fuel filter issue is based on the fiberglass tank issue and the possibility that the Ethanol will dissolve gums and varnish in the fuel system.

    All of this being said, there appearantly has been fuel used in Michigan marinas for many years with a 10% ethanol content with few noticeable problems. Also, I have noticed in KY that many gas pumps have had stickers indicating a 10% ethanol content in the gas and that has been for several years. What I have noticed about this particular gas is that my 2-stroke engines have problems. Noticably, the flexible parts of the fuel system get hard and crack. None of my 4-stroke engines have had any fuel problems.
     
  5. Lynne

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    Great, more good news. Time to get the kayak and canoes dusted off and linament for the soon to be aching muscles.
    I just may be the first pontoon rigged up with a sail.
     
  6. Iddee

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    And add to that, when I bought the 10% fuel in Ill., I got 10% less mileage from my vehicle than when I bought gas in non-ethanol fuel. The ethanol just seemed to disappear and I wound up paying for 10 gallons and getting only 9.
     
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  8. Cabin Fever

    Cabin Fever Life NRA Member since 1976 Supporter

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    In Minnesota, "premium" gasoline does not contain ethanol. Everyone i know who owns a boat, ATV, motorcycle, snowmobile, etc. uses "no ethanol" premium gasoline. Yes, it's more expensive, but we all feel it's worth it to protect our engines.
     
  9. Oilpatch197

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    In my opinion they should put in a "real" gasoline pump over by the Kerosene.
     
  10. insanity

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    Thats something else the government probably likes about ethanol.There wanting to put an end to two stroke motors anyway.

    Um if in order to run alcohol you have to bump up the compression of a two stroke engine to stop detonation.Wouldn't adding even a small amount to the gas require at least some change also? Ethanol/Alcohol same thing? Or was the fuel already being blended with some equivalent to ethanol?

    I hope what Cabin Fever said is true here as well.I run premium in my ATVs and Boats as well.But ether way I'm still fixing to mill the head on my ATV to run race gas.Because the crap they have been selling for gas here the last few years already doesn't have a self life.Not saying race fuel has a better shelf life but it may be blended better.
    Just try lighting a small amount of reg. or prem. gas on fire as soon as you get it home.Big boom=Right! Now light the same amount or even a little more two weeks later =less boom.Two months later it starts to resemble Diesel or kerosene.Makes my quad run for crap if theres any left in the tank! :grump:
    I use the old gas to start the BBQ grill. :D Or pore it in my truck it doesn't care. :rolleyes:
     
  11. Oilpatch197

    Oilpatch197 Well-Known Member

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    If it gets really bad we can purchase some aviation fuel, or if your lucky a gas station that has "racing gas"
     
  12. KRH

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    No facts here just my opinion. But I have to belive that outside of a few problems with older 20 years+ fuel systems and fiberglass tanks(that can be lined) you are not going to see any major problems with the swichover to E10. As has been stated we here in the midwest have used it for years. We just learned to add a little stablizer to our tanks and emty the fuel system for the winter. As far as the plugging fuel filters. After a few tanks the ethanol will have dissolved all the petrolium crud from your tank and lines that its going to and filter plugging shouldnt be a problem.
    This whole thing reminds me of all the hype over the no more leaded gas (crisis) of the late 80's. Oh No! What will we ever do?
    Come on America get a grip on reality.
    No not the kind so well loved on the Dummy Box.
    The country finaly starts to make baby steps toward a greener path and all we can do is pick out the "inconveniences" it causes us.
    Answer me this. Actualy answer Yourselves this.
    What do we want?
    Ever climbing dollar amounts on foreign oil?
    Government money spent to pay farmers not to plant instead of planting to fuel our tanks as well as our own economy?
    All in the name of not spending a few bucks on one time modifications and working on an ethanol based future?

    Have we truely become a nation that is so shallow and self-indulgent that we all preach so loudly from our soap boxes about a greener more self reliant America. Then when someone says OK we can do that but it will cost you a few extra bucks in the short term. What do we do?
    We drag our soap boxes to the next corner and complain about the money we have to spend for it and why we should have to pay for it.
    We need to get our priorities straight.

    Um sorry I got of topic ever so slightly.
     
  13. rambler

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    Good post, KRH. :)

    I know unleaded gas was going to ruin every farm tractor we had back then..... The horror......

    Well, I'm still running all 4 of them! I have a bunch of diesels now, but the old gassers are doing fine.

    We've had ethanol gas in my state for decades. Guess it ain't no big thing around here. Biggest problem with it was that it cleans a lot of gunk out of old dirty gas tanks, so you go through a filter or 2 until your tank cleans itself up. Then pretty much go on with life.

    --->Paul