I wasn't sure how to title this, but something I said in another thread, had people thinking it might be a good spin off thread. Im not even sure I will say this how I am thinking it..heh. Do you think that society today has taken a lot away from being a man? That its hard to BE a man today? I don't want this to become a bash/flame thread, but it seems that things have swung too far the other way, as far as women/men go. Women were treated as second class citizens for a long time, and things did need to change, but now it seems to have gone too far the other way. Men are portrayed as big kids, lets see what we can get away with, ask the wife what to do, ask permission, don't DARE show any testosterone at all, don't sweat, don't grow body hair, don't hold a door open, don't look, don't compliment a woman on her outfit or how she looks (how many women spend HOURS trying to look good for men, yet get offended when one actually compliments her on it?), for goodness sake don't touch, don't use manners, don't be a gentleman, just do what you are told. Women will tell you what to do, just go out and play. Boys are growing up seeing men not allowed to act like and be men. What happens to a whole generation of boys raised with Everybody Loves Raymond?