I saw the other day were a man pled guilty to lying to the FBI.
Doesn’t the freedom of speech guarantee our right to lie? If we have a right to lie how can we be guilty of a crime for exercising it?
If we don’t have a right to lie then who gets to approve the veracity of our statements and decide whether we go to jail or not?
Will the huckster on TV that claims these vitamins will make you taller and with better hair and attract women be put in jail?
How about the guy that yells fire in a theater? How about the two guys arguing about global warming which one of them will go to jail?
You can lie as much as you want, but not to the police during an official investigation.
There's no promise you won't suffer consequences for your lies.
People often mistakenly think they have some "right" to say anything they want, but that's really not what is stated in the First Amendment.
I’ve been told the police have a right to lie to us. Shouldn’t we have that same right ? Shouldn’t the government be held to a higher standard than the citizens they work for ?
The true point is that you don’t have to answer any question to any law enforcement officer. Don’t want to get caught in a lie and suffer the consequences- keep your mouth shut. You have that right.
Yes the police can lie to you to get you to incriminate yourself. If you lie to the police or feds, even if you are not under oath, you can be charged and go to jail. The best thing to do when being "questioned" by the police or feds is to tell them you are going to exercise your 5th Amendment right to remain silent. I recall a court case where it was ruled that you have to say something to that effect. Remember, anything you say even in passing to the police or feds can be used against you, even if you have not been read your rights. When/if you are stopped by the police for DUI or speeding and they ask you if you've been drinking and you answer "I had a beer" or how fast do you think you were going, will be used against you.
You should also tell them that you would want an attorney. Saying "I think I should have an attorney" is not enough. Requesting an attorney should put an end to the questioning until an attorney shows up. But your mileage may very.
BTW: I'm not an attorney nor do I play one on TV and I didn't stay at a Holiday Inn last night, so you should talk with a real attorney.
You have freedom of speech, but you're not free from the consequences of it. A right does not free you from wrong doing, like yelling "fire" in a crowded movie house, which could cause injury.
Freedom is only worthy the of the name, so long as the pursuit thereof does not deny others of the same.
JS Mill wrote, “The only freedom which deserves the name, is that of pursuing our own good in our own way, so long as we do not attempt to deprive others of theirs, or impede their efforts to obtain it.”
The FBI is established and maintained by the will of the people via proxy, to protect the citizenry from those who would impede the individual freedom to move to and fro in all facets of their lives with a measure of protection and reasonable confidence that justice will be served.
Personally I believe lying whether to the FBI or anyone else is causes harm and impedes the victims right to pursue freedom in the purest form of an equal playing field rather than one shaded with cowardly lies.
Ask if I’m under arrest. If the answer is no I get up to leave. If the answer is yes I ask for my lawyer. Other than that I keep silent. Know your rights. Use your rights.
Look guys when you spent several hours in A room with smoky taking turns asking you questions while you’re waiting for your lawyer to be contacted they simply wear you out ! they have teams to take shifts they go out take breaks have a coffee maybe some donuts and all the time you’re being hounded how does that work out? If that doesn’t work they simply put you in a cell with a nut who drives you up the walls till you beg for the chance to confess to anything that will get you out of that cell that is the real world.
Anyone involved in the legal system needs to be held to a much higher standard. They need to know that and they need to be held to it repeatedly. The crime of using your position within the law to violate another’s rights should be Huge, using your position within the law to get away with a crime should be huge.
To give an example a cop should have to ask for permission and authority to exceed the speed limit if he is seen by another copExceeding the speed limit he should face penalties 10 to 100 times those of the average person if the other cop ignores this crime because cops hang together he should be in jail for the rest of his life. It’s that simple.
Anyone involved in the legal system needs to be held to a much higher standard. They need to know that and they need to be held to it repeatedly. The crime of using your position within the law to violate another’s rights should be Huge, using your position within the law to get away with a crime should be huge.
To give an example a cop should have to ask for permission and authority to exceed the speed limit if he is seen by another copExceeding the speed limit he should face penalties 10 to 100 times those of the average person if the other cop ignores this crime because cops hang together he should be in jail for the rest of his life. It’s that simple.
I saw the other day were a man pled guilty to lying to the FBI.
Doesn’t the freedom of speech guarantee our right to lie? If we have a right to lie how can we be guilty of a crime for exercising it?
If we don’t have a right to lie then who gets to approve the veracity of our statements and decide whether we go to jail or not?
Will the huckster on TV that claims these vitamins will make you taller and with better hair and attract women be put in jail?
How about the guy that yells fire in a theater? How about the two guys arguing about global warming which one of them will go to jail?
debatable to say the least but when it comes to the LAW you are guilty until proven innocent. it is a crime to lie to the law and encouraged for the law to lie to you in order to file a charge against you. I know they tried to charge me with terrorism once. I was found guilty then later the case was expunged. but still they throw my innocent but in jail and I served time.
debatable to say the least but when it comes to the LAW you are guilty until proven innocent. it is a crime to lie to the law and encouraged for the law to lie to you in order to file a charge against you. I know they tried to charge me with terrorism once. I was found guilty then later the case was expunged. but still they throw my innocent but in jail and I served time.
Come to find out someone really did go to Mark's house that night and shoot the place up and threw a homemade bomb. Who it was I have no ideal I know of a few people it could've been but the the cops lock me up for it so why would I help them as far as they were concerned with the who thing they had their man. I kept my mouth shut and fought it out in court.
Well it has gotten a lot better here in recent years it took a couple incidents like mine but we have a officer who basically lives here now. Which encouraged the trash to move on. So I would have to say the area is 100 times better now.
So it's also a biased opinion.
Rationalization isn't necessarily "reasonable".
I'd bet you presented your question in a manner that made them more likely to agree with you too.
The point remains it's just more random internet anecdotes.
Correct. The former is covered by the 1st Amendment, the Latter in order not to lie is covered by the 5th Amendment. Soooo....as a Citizen of the USA, there is no need to Lie and no need to say anything.
Where I live, LEOs act different. They are Polite, if they are not, a meeting with their Superiors is enough. Here LEOs know that they work for me. This is a "Right To Work State". The City and County, do not recognize Unions or Bargain with them. That makes a BIG difference in the way LEOs act. It also helps to know your Local Politicians on a personal level, to get things done, as they work for me also and they don't have a Union Either. Heh Heh.
Under oath you can’t lie. Well you can but if they find out it’s a federal crime
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