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Old 01/28/12, 08:13 PM
 
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Another dog was killed in a MN DNR approved killer trap set. A trapper on Trapperman attacked the dog owner for not having it on a leash even though the dog was only 10' from the owner when it was caught. The poor guy had to watch it die.

http://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2012/0...apping-method/

My rep is meeting with the DNR this week to discuss changes to the regulations. I expect the DNR to attempt to "reduce" the number of dead dogs instead of eliminating the cause with that being killer trap sets made on the ground with their approval.
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Old 01/28/12, 11:45 PM
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I would like a DNR official to answer the following question. How do they track the number of dogs killed in traps each year? And how are they so sure its not a more common occurrence?

I would like to ask the MN Trappers Association the same questions? The president is making the claim it rarely happens. How do they keep track of these incidents? Do they honestly believe their members would report these accidents to them? If they want to make the claim its a rare occurrence then provide some data that shows that's the case.

If you haven't already started a facebook page, you would get a lot of attention that way.
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Old 01/29/12, 11:19 AM
 
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Thanks for the suggestion. I have been posting on my wall and the (group?) wall.

We are also going to make some Youtubes.

As far as the DNR tracking dogs killed in killer traps Jason Abraham said they don't have any way of doing it but he would like to start. I think most dogs simply 'disappear'. Each fall we see posters with lost dogs that 'disappear'. I think a lot of those get killed in DNR approved body grip trap sets and tossed into the brush by the trapper.

It's sad to see the owner of Phillip get beat up on by trappers accusing him of not having Phillip on a leash. He said in the video that he was 10' away.

18 people so far have said they have lost (or) know of dogs that have been killed in DNR approved body grip traps. I am still getting emails and cards from dog owners who have lost dogs and never reported them or if they did they got the brush off "it's a legally set trap".

My representative has taken the lead on this issue and is meeting with the DNR soon at the direction of the DNR commissioner. We are forcing the DNR to deal with the mess they made.

The number one 'justification' for using these deadly traps on the ground is that they only have to be checked every 3 days.
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Old 01/29/12, 01:13 PM
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Is there a group already on face book?
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Old 01/29/12, 06:21 PM
 
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Not for just this issue. I don't know FB very well so I was referring to the group of people that somehow post on a wall that I can post on. If you know how to put one together for just this issue please do.

A woman from Pine County just emailed me to say her dog was killed on a morning walk in late December. That brings it up to 19 but I'm sure there are many times that number that no one outside of close friends ever hears about.
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Old 02/01/12, 09:59 AM
 
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Here's an interview I did yesterday for our public TV station. We are picking up steam every day. Hopefully the MTA will come forward with some support and not dig in it's heels. If the changes don't happen this session they will happen the next session or the one after that one or the next one...... Any delay means the death of more dogs and more negative publicity for trapping.

http://www.lptv.org/index.php?option...&newscast=1388
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Old 02/10/12, 09:43 AM
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With the wolf season being planned it looks like larger snares may be approved too.

Sec. 43. RULEMAKING; USE OF SNARES.

(a) The commissioner of natural resources shall amend Minnesota Rules, part
18.276234.0100, to include a subpart that prohibits the use of carcasses of domestic animals for taking wolves on public lands.

(b) The commissioner of natural resources shall amend Minnesota Rules, part
18.306234.2400, subpart 5, to provide that when taking wolves, snares may not be set in trails.

(c) The commissioner of natural resources shall amend Minnesota Rules, part
18.326234.2400, subpart 7, to provide that a snare set by a licensed wolf trapper to take a wolf may not be set so that the bottom of the loop is more than 18 inches above the first surface beneath the bottom of the set snare loop, and the top height in that subpart does not apply to snares set for wolves.

(d) The commissioner of natural resources shall amend Minnesota Rules, part
19.46234.2400, subpart 8, to provide that during the wolf season, licensed wolf trappers may use snares, provided:
(1) the diameter of a snare loop does not exceed 16 inches when fully open; and

(2) the cable includes stops affixed to the cable to ensure that the portion of the cable that makes up the noose loop may not be less than six inches when fully closed.

(e) The commissioner of natural resources shall amend Minnesota Rules, part
19.106234.2400, subpart 9, to provide that during the wolf season, licensed wolf trappers must use snare cable at least 7/64 inches in diameter.

(f) The commissioner may use the good cause exemption under Minnesota Statutes,
19.13section 14.388, subdivision 1, clause (3), to adopt rules under this section, and Minnesota Statutes, section 14.386, does not apply except as provided under Minnesota Statutes, section 14.388.
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Old 02/10/12, 04:16 PM
 
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I like the idea of putting a 'stop' in the snare if it means what I think it means. That should be done to all the rest of the snares.

I see that the Bemidji Pioneer editorial board is backing the changes to body grip trap regulation.
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Old 02/17/12, 02:16 PM
 
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We have a bill introduced!

It's HF 1736 in the House and SF 2243 in the Senate.

Now we just have to convince the chairs of the 2 environmental committees to let the bill be heard. They would be rep.denny.mcnamara@house.mn and bill.ingebrigtsen@senate.mn

The DNR met with the 3 trappers associations on Saturday about dog dying in body grips and other issues.
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Old 02/17/12, 02:33 PM
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You sure are doing a great job with this Fishhead!
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Thank you but it's far from just me. About 2,100 people have signed the petition and many are contacting their legislators and the DNR. We're also getting some good coverage by WCCO and now KSTP TV stations. I'm giving another radio interview in about 20 minutes. I think those came from someone contacting the radio stations and alerting them to the issue.
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Old 02/29/12, 06:01 PM
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forwarded to my brothers in MN.
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Old 03/03/12, 02:30 PM
 
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Thank you!

The Chairs of the Environmental committees in the House and Senate refused to hear our bill. Two legislators have told dog owners just to "accept it" when our dogs are killed. The DNR is writing a bill and I would expect the Chairs will allow it to be heard. The draft that I've seen will continue to allow our dogs to die but maybe it can be strengthened once it gets away from the Enviro committees.

Basically the draft I saw just moves trappers to smaller killer traps set on the ground. They can still set killer traps in the culvert at the end of our driveway without notifying the property owner. The added restrictions on killer trap boxes won't stop a large dog from reaching the trigger of the trap and a smaller dog can go all the way past the opening. There is a video showing full sized beagles going through a 6"x6" hole. The bill draft only reduces the hole to 7"x7". A 100 lb lab can reach it's head through the hole at least a foot but the draft only moves the trap back about 1/2 that distance.

If it isn't strengthened more dogs will die and the focus will be back on trapping next season. That's not good for anyone.
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Senator John Carlson (GOP) from Bemidji just introduced a bill (SF 2265) to allow the use of 330's on land. His bill immediately got on the list of bills to be heard tomorrow. Meanwhile the chairs of the environment committees refuse to allow our bill to be heard.

He showed his bill to MOHA last week.

There's some speculation that this is for wolf trapping. So now we are going to have to try to keep our hunting dogs away from 330's set for wild canines and baited with meat.
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sad to say, but until some turd catches the legislator's pet in the culvert in front of his house, well y'all are screwed.
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Old 03/06/12, 09:25 AM
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I don't see anywhere in the bill that 330's are mentioned?

S.F. No. 2265, as introduced - 87th Legislative Session (2011-2012) Posted on Mar 02, 2012

1.1A bill for an act
1.2relating to game and fish; modifying restrictions on certain traps;proposing
1.3coding for new law in Minnesota Statutes, chapter 97B.
1.4BE IT ENACTED BY THE LEGISLATURE OF THE STATE OF MINNESOTA:

1.5 Section 1. [97B.903] USE OF BODY-GRIPPING TRAPS.
1.6A person may not set, place, or operate, except as a water set, a body-gripping
1.7or conibear-type trap on public lands and waters that has a maximum jaw opening
1.8when set greater than seven and one-half inches measured from the inside edges of the
1.9body-gripping portions of the jaws, unless:
1.10(1) the trap is in a baited or unbaited enclosure with the opening no greater than 81
1.11square inches and the trap trigger is recessed seven inches or more from the top of the
1.12opening;
1.13(2) no bait, lure, or other attractant is placed within 20 feet of the trap; or
1.14(3) the trap is elevated at least three feet above the surface of the ground.

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Old 03/07/12, 10:47 AM
 
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It's this language. "greater than seven and one-half inches". That targets 280's and 330's and doesn't affect 220's.

Carlson changed his bill last night at the hearing to target JUST 220's if my information is correct. His ineffective restrictions (36" off the ground, 9"x9" opening, 7" recess) were left in the bill.

The amendment that got slapped onto an existing bill in Denny McNamara's comittee in the House may not have been changed to exclude the largest traps.

I'll bet that a 40 lb dog can crawl completely through a 9"x9" opening. Even a 5"x5" opening allows the trap to be reached 12" into the box without any effort.
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I've been told that after refusing to hear our bill Rep. Denny McNamara asked the DNR to write a bill after consulting with trappers. They did and then he refused to hear the bill he requested.

Then he or someone else in his committee amended a bill similar (or identical) to Carlson's bill onto an existing bill and passed out of McNamara's committee.
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Old 03/07/12, 02:19 PM
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I see now. I read it wrong.
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Old 03/08/12, 11:28 AM
 
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I read it wrong several times because it's so......

The senate amended it with a 'larger than and less than' change.

The House did not so they legalized 330's set unbaited on the ground or baited but 36" off the ground.

The senate environment committee is going to vote on a big bill containing Carlsons amendment today in Senator Ingebritsen(sp) committee at 3 pm.

I'm sending you a PM with a short Youtube showing how ineffective Carlsons box restrictions are at preventing our dogs from being killed.
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