Argh!

okgoatgal2 · #21 01/09/10, 08:26 PM

muscle is more dense than fat. 5lbs of muscle takes less space than 5 lbs of fat.
are you exercising?
if i don't exercise i don't lose. regardless of eating.

whiskeylivewire · #22 01/09/10, 08:30 PM

Starting exercising Monday...oh and I'm 5'9 and weigh 227...I would like to be down to 180 at the most, 170 at the highest hope lol

plowjockey · #23 01/09/10, 09:56 PM

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Originally Posted by ErinP

fat doesn't make you fat, calories do...
Are you maintaining a similar calorie count each day? that might be it... Some people really do well with calorie cycling. (higher one day, lower the next) That way the body doesn't have a chance to adjust.

Fat has over twice the calories per gram, than either carbohydrates or proteins. It does make a difference.

Those looking to seriously lose weight, should have as little fat as possible in their regular diet.

plowjockey · #24 01/09/10, 10:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Murray in ME

The other thing to remember is that 44 grams of fat isn't really as bad as is seems. It's just over 25% of your daily calories. It's generally recommended that no more than 30% of calories should come from fat. And, it's often recommended that you shouldn't go much below 20% calories from fat. You're right in the middle of that range so you're doing pretty good.

The average person would have to walk at a fast pace for nearly two hours, to burn 44 grams of fat. Plus there is still is the other 75% of caloric intake to deal with.

ErinP · #25 01/09/10, 10:19 PM

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Originally Posted by plowjockey

Those looking to seriously lose weight, should have as little fat as possible in their regular diet.

Nope, that is actually one of the worst things one can do. Fat makes you feel fuller, and keeps you satiated longer. (and this doesn't even take into account the fact that we need a certain amount of fat in our diets, particularly the healthy fats)
Something that has been discovered and re-discovered is that the low-fat diets pushed in the 80s and 90s were detrimental more than anything.

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Fat has over twice the calories per gram

Yep. Calories are the final, determining factor.
You need to expend more than you take in, pure and simple. Obviously you need to be as balanced as possible, but dropping your fat too low is isn't balanced.

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The average person would have to walk at a fast pace for nearly two hours, to burn 44 grams of fat. Plus there is still is the other 75% of caloric intake to deal with.

True, but you're forgetting how many calories are required for basic function.
For example, a 5'6" woman, 175 pounds needs almost 1600 calories just to keep basic functions going. Breathing, hair growth, etc. Add in the most basic of physical activity, say a secretary, and that bumps up to over 1700. That's before doing any deliberate, physical activity.
1700, just to maintain.

ErinP · #26 01/09/10, 10:30 PM

PS: 44g of fat= 396 calories.
A 150 pound woman burns that in about 2 hours at a fairly leisurely pace of 2mph.
Heavier, say 227, would burn nearly 600.

plowjockey · #27 01/09/10, 10:43 PM

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Originally Posted by ErinP

Nope, that is actually one of the worst things one can do. Fat makes you feel fuller, and keeps you satiated longer. (and this doesn't even take into account the fact that we need a certain amount of fat in our diets, particularly the healthy fats)
Something that has been discovered and re-discovered is that the low-fat diets pushed in the 80s and 90s were detrimental more than anything.

Properly prepared low fat food will keep one feeling fuller. We have proved it by following the Wellspring nutritional guidlines, where DS attended this summer. Their view on fat intake is 100% opposite of the view above. When we adapted low fat/non fat at our home, DS continued to lose weight and DW and I have lost 35 and 20 lbs, without any real changes in physical activity.

http://www.wellspringcamps.com/sustainable_diet.html

If a body really needs fat, why would we not want it to use the fat, that it is already carrying around? Isn't that what fat burning is all about?

ErinP · #28 01/09/10, 10:50 PM

I have no doubts there are some still pushing it.
Generally speaking though, it's been shown time and again that some fat is needed for our diets...
Like Murray already said, 20-30% is what is usually recommended.

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When we adapted low fat/non fat

And it would seem this is how you cut calories.

Calories in vs. calories out. That's what it comes down to.

whiskeylivewire · #29 01/14/10, 12:14 PM

I've lost 7 lbs! Yay!!!!

Pink_Carnation · #30 01/14/10, 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by plowjockey

If a body really needs fat, why would we not want it to use the fat, that it is already carrying around? Isn't that what fat burning is all about?

There are certain vitamins that come from fat or require fat to be absorbed. That is why we need some fat...you can actually die from not enough fat in your diet, however that is really rare in this country.

I don't know how much is allowed on your diet so I don't know if it really gets to the extremes. For many of the reasonable diets the determining factor for them working is how well people stick with it.

whiskeylivewire · #31 01/14/10, 06:12 PM

I just keep it to a minimum....eat more veggies and fruits...if I do eat fat, unless it's a tbsp of butter, I get it from nuts and avocadoes.

FarmerChick · #32 01/14/10, 06:17 PM

cut the breads

anything like this in overload will hold that weight on longer.

have one slice of bread per day...not 2

don't pair that up with a potatoe

for me what works---I eat one carb. One bagel, one piece bread, one pita, 1 baked potatoe or whatever---but only one per day. the rest of my meals revolve around lean meats, veggies, fruits

that is what works for me, hope it might help you!

I lost 70 lbs in 8 mos. doing this. And I never starved and I learned to eat this way for life now. I love it and works great for me.

best of luck and never get discouraged!!!! you will find that right combo that will work!

ErinP · #33 01/14/10, 06:52 PM

Oh sigh.
You would make this suggestion on the same day my husband found a new bread recipe for his sour dough.

It's divine, btw.

FarmerChick · #34 01/14/10, 07:04 PM

LOL eat that one piece only and CHERISH every single mouth watering warm bite...haha

but it is hard not to eat the whole loaf!

whiskeylivewire · #35 01/15/10, 04:38 PM

I usually only eat one slice of bread a day...it's called double fiber bread it's 100 calories a slice and I like it. I have to keep some carbs in me, I have low blood sugar, so I'm having to do something every couple hours or I get the shakes and I get cranky. No one wants me cranky