soaking grains

Discussion in 'Goats' started by mamatomany, Jul 18, 2007.

  1. mamatomany

    mamatomany New Member

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    We are very new to goats and I have been going by the recomendation of my friend whom we bought the doe from. She advised us to soak the grains in apple cider vinegar. This is the proportions she uses
    5 parts barley
    2 parts sunflower seeds
    2 parts split green peas
    a dash of garlic powder
    a little brewers yeast
    I've been sorting through the threads and the first I have seen anyone soaking their grains is under the lentil thread. She said that soaking your grains eliminates the need to give the goat baking soda. But from what I gather goats have four stomachs for the digestion process. We both follow a Nourishing Traditions diet but is this necesary for our goats. Oh and I have been basically feeding this same feed to our ducks and chickens. The goat will be for milking next year.
    Oh and our area is very depleted of A LOT of minirals...calcium, selinium, floride, ect.
    Thank you for all the insight!
    Lora
     
  2. Alice In TX/MO

    Alice In TX/MO More dharma, less drama. Supporter

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    MMMM...... my initial thought is that this is a lot of extra work. Also, soaking in vinegar adds acid, which is *exactly* the opposite of the baking soda.

    I think you might not want to follow her advice.
     

  3. BlueHeronFarm

    BlueHeronFarm Well-Known Member

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    Vinegar is oftens used to prevent urinary calculi in bucks, but I wouldn't do it in feed. Yuck. And the hassle.

    We feed dry barley - it's fine. I am unsure about the green peas.
    All goats are different, but mine won't eat anything wet.

    My 2 cents is it's not necessary to soak - and if the peas need it for some reason, stop feeding them. Substitute alfalfa pellets or a grain like oats for that in your mix.
     
  4. Liese

    Liese Namaste

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    Lora, Before you decide to change something you might want to ask yourself: 1. Do you feel your friend whom you bought the doe from is knowledgable? 2. Do you like the way her herd looks, acts and their health? 3. How about the doe you bought? 4. What does it cost you to feed this mix? 5. What will it cost you to change? 6. Why and what are you wanting to change? 'Course if you change something you know that you'll have to do it slowly; not only do goats dislike change but their rumens do too. Don't know how long you have been lurking /reading but it doesn't take too long to see that there are as many opinions and some even contradict! Since you just got the doe you might also want to investigate what feeds you can get in your area too. For instance in my area of NC I have a very limited selection compared to other regions. Hope this gives you "food for thought"!
     
  5. QueenB04

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    In the logic of ruminants this seems impractical on all levels. Also agreeing with the vinegar, very acidic and will upset natural digestive fluids. You can as BlueHeronFarm mentioned use when UT problems are suspected, but again not a common means to solve the problem. I use vinegar to flush out wounds, and use on my horses legs to repell bot eggs. Great for skin conditions and any other topical use but to ingest vinegar is going to severely upset the flora in the digestive tracts.
    Also soaking feeds is a bit over rated. If animals do not have a reason to need soaked feed (i.e. certain digestive problems, no teeth, injured jaw or throat area) don't feed it this way. They can eat all the above just fine without issue. Also like BHF said go with alfalfa or oats, alfalfa would probably be best. I'm a little curious why the seller practices this method of feeding....very unusual and not neccesary.
     
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    Also if you do make the change as I assume this goat is used to this diet, gradually wean her off by adding the wet mixture with the dry, see how she does with this before totally making the move to dry. It will probably take several weeks to make this change, gradual is the key.
     
  7. QueenB04

    QueenB04 Well-Known Member

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    Well said Liese.
     
  8. Jim S.

    Jim S. Well-Known Member

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    From a letter in a 1973 back issue of Mother Earth News:

    Full letter here...lots of interesting experiences...

    http://www.motherearthnews.com/Livestock-and-Farming/1973-09-01/Feedback-on-Goats.aspx
     
  9. mamatomany

    mamatomany New Member

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    Thank you so much for all the replies. I have been lurking on here for a little bit, trying to look at past threads, so I can see that there are 100 different ways to feed your animals. :) . My friend is all very natural wants to use no medication/ vaccinations complete organic.... lots of really good ideas BUT she has not had goats for even two years. She has read lots and lots and that is where she is gleaning her info from. And now that she has some actual experience with goats she is changing some of her ways to be a little more pracitical. My dh grew up with goats and sheep and he felt it was too much of a hassle and so I wanted to do my own researching about soaking their grains. Cleopatra (the goat) likes the soaked grains but I do not do it every day and she does like it better dry - even the peas. The ratio she gave me was suppose to be for 18% protein.

    That's a very interesting article. It doesn't say that the grains were actually soaked. And when I do soak them I cover the mixture in water and then just a glub of the ACV. Hmmmm, I'll do some more looking.
    Lora