Property owners, need information with no tresspassing signs and purple paint

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  1. Thumbbuddy

    Thumbbuddy Well-Known Member

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    Can you good people help me to find information on the states that have purple paint as legal posting which means no tresspassing instead of buying and putting up all them signs that read no tresspassing, it is getting expensive since they rip them down, Here in Pennsylvania their is not a law to use purple paint for that purpose and I contacted my state representive last year after the problem in Wisconsin, I believe, where people were shot by a so believe deer hunter after he was told to leave since he was on private property. My representive here in N.E. Pennsylvania is to busy after a year since I contacted him to try and pass a law here, I believe it should be national with all states since some have it. IF SOMEONE else in Pa. wants to try with their rep. in their area maybe we can get one passed. I believe their were threads posted a while back and I cannot locate them, can someone help me with this subject, thanl you in advance
     
  2. Yvonne

    Yvonne Well-Known Member

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    Texas has purple paint as legal posting. Doesn't do much good as the same people that ignore signs ignore the paint.
     

  3. Ruby

    Ruby Well-Known Member Supporter

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    Maybe the ones that ignore the purple paint, don't know what it means. I've lived here all my life, (60 yrs.) and this is the first I've heard of it. So I'm sure I'm not the only dummy out here.
     
  4. Alice In TX/MO

    Alice In TX/MO More dharma, less drama. Supporter

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    What if the trespasser is color blind?
     
  6. Nature_Lover

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    Good luck with your efforts Thumbbuddy.

    Here's the statute for Missouri's purple paint law, and some other interesting angles regarding the law.

    You might find out if your local/state forestry department, or an organization of foresters in your state have already started lobbying for the law, they would have the most to gain by passing it.

    "Posting of property against trespassers, purple paint used to mark streets and posts, requirements--entry on posted property is trespassing in first degree, penalty.

    569.145. In addition to the posting of real property as set forth in section 569.140, the owner or lessee of any real property may post the property by placing identifying purple paint marks on trees or posts around the area to be posted. Each paint mark shall be a vertical line of at least eight inches in length and the bottom of the mark shall be no less than three feet nor more than five feet high. Such paint marks shall be placed no more than one hundred feet apart and shall be readily visible to any person approaching the property. Property so posted is to be considered posted for all purposes, and any unauthorized entry upon the property is trespass in the first degree, and a class B misdemeanor."

    © Copyright "The headnotes, footnotes, annotations and index of the Missouri Revised Statutes, are used by permission of the Joint Committee on Legislative Research, the copyright holder."

    http://www.moga.state.mo.us/statutes/C500-599/5690000145.HTM


    Trespassing on any private property, whether posted or not, is illegal, but trespassing on posted property is a more serious offense.


    "Green Horizons
    Volume 5, Number 1
    Winter 2000
    Purple Paint Law can save valuable lumber

    The Purple Paint Law...the best thing since sliced bread! Why would a Tree Farmer/consulting forester make such as a statement? To save money and to make money, that's why.
    Purple paint on boundary line trees or fence posts means NO TRESPASSING, just as a green light means go and a red light means stop. But how can the purple paint law possibly save money for a woodland owner?

    Just think. In the past, if woodland owners wanted to post their land against trespass, they would almost always nail a sign to a tree.

    I have seen black walnut, white oak and red oak veneer logs ruined by such a practice. Think of the hundreds, if not thousands of butt logs, the most valuable log in a tree, that were affected!

    In the mid-1990s, the Missouri State Legislature passed the Purple Paint Law, probably never realizing they were going to save millions of future butt logs. The law reads as follows: "The owner or lessee of any real property may post the property by placing identifying purple paint marks on trees or posts around the area to be posted. Each paint mark shall be a vertical line of at least eight inches in length and the bottom of the mark shall be no less than three feet nor more than five feet high. Such paint marks shall be placed no more than 100 feet apart and shall be readily visible to any person approaching the property. Property so posted is to be considered posted for all purposes, and any unauthorized entry upon the property is trespass in the first degree, and a class B misdemeanor".

    Another important advantage of purple paint over posted signs is that it cannot be torn down. Also, as fast-growing trees pull the nails through the sign in 2 or 3 years, it loses hold and falls, requiring replacement. And, hunters won't be as tempted to shoot purple paint as they are to shoot signs.

    To make the purple paint last longer, before painting a tree, scrape off the loose bark with a draw knife, taking care not to wound the tree. This process will at least double, if not triple the life of the paint mark, anywhere from 4 to 8 years! Smooth-barked trees, such as hickory are perfect to paint.

    If you must put up a sign, be sure to nail it to a small, low-value tree of firewood quality. If you aren't sure which trees are low- value, be sure to contact your local consulting forester to assist you! Mistakes can be costly! Any butt log that is saved can mean financial benefit for landowners, loggers and foresters!"

    © Copyright 1996 AgEBB
    http://agebb.missouri.edu/agforest/archives/v5n1/gh15.htm
     
  7. Nature_Lover

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    Hey Highground, better hope they live in an orange or lime green state, huh? :shrug:
     
  8. Thumbbuddy

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    Exactly what I am trying to get across Yvonne and Ruby, people do not understand laws, when you purchase a hunting license their should be a square box stating "Do you understand what private property means and no tresspassing means". When I approach people on my property and they are hunters the first thing I ask them to do is unload their guns since their is no hunting on the property. I try to prevent an accident in that manner since some get a little loud in some instances. Before hunting season maybe your newspaper can state the meaning of purple paint and tresspassing laws to the public.
     
  9. DaleK

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    It's not a state, but in Ontario, a red or orange circle is considered the same as a sign, HOWEVER, in addition, if you have a cultivated field or growing or dormant crop, or a woodlot as part of a farm, just the act of cultivating or having a crop on it is also considered the same as putting up a sign.
     
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    I know if you are using purple paint...you have to get the good stuff. Wal-mart purple just doesn't do the trick.
     
  11. foxtrapper

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    Get the forestry supply company catalog. They sell rolls of paper no hunting signs. Something like 400 for $20. They last about a year. Take a small ladder with you as you post the signs in order to put them several feet up above reach.
     
  12. Jan Doling

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    Anybody know what works in Florida?
     
  13. MarkNH

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    Warning: Vent On!

    What annoy's me is that you have to post your land if you want it to be no trespassing? Why is land different? Why do I have to go the expense( time and money) of posting my land just to have the wind and knuckleheads take them down?

    Heck If I just walked into a house and parked my but there would be no question that I'm trespassing.

    Ok, Vent Off!
     
  14. Nature_Lover

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    Trespassing on any private property, whether posted or not, is illegal, but trespassing on posted property is a more serious offense. ;)
     
  15. foxtrapper

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    Around here we have many public hunting areas that are very poorly defined. The issued maps are incorrect and terribly vague. To make it worse, some of those public hunting areas have small unmarked pockets of private property located within them. Private land adjacent to or within these public hunting areas truly need clear marking to prevent hunters from inadvertently crossing into them.
     
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    You are so right about the shot gun...but I want to deter them before it gets to that point. Is purple paint part of the Florida no-tresspassing plan?
     
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    Your not a dummy, I haven't ever heard of purple paint either. Wouldn't know what it ment. Around here the only paint on trees are to remove or keep trees when they harvest them. And a purple color is used to keep trees.
     
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    Basically all you need to do is to post the signs, take a photo of your property with all the signs posted, and when you catch one that has ripped them down and is tresspassing have them arrested and take them to court and argue the case that they ripped the signs down. Along with tresspassing you can get them for criminal tresspassing as they vandilized your property, stole your signs.
     
  20. greenbean

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    Am I wrong, that if my land is posted, it gives me the right to prosecute tresspassers ?