New Zealand litter

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  1. Mike Hotel

    Mike Hotel Well-Known Member

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    Born this morning. She had 7, ate one and three died. 3 left. I bred her (she's a REW) with a buck that I bought at a chicken sale. They told me he's be a BEW NZ. I'd never heard of BEW NZ before, so I took a chance. Turned out to have brown eyes. The interesting part is that three of the babies were black. I think daddy-o is a mutt, which is fine.

    As of this pm, she was refusing to feed them. I waited all day and all she would do is toss them out of the nest. I've got them inside now and I've been bringing her in every 5 hours or so in order for them to nurse.

    This is her second litter. First batch all died the second day due to her ignoring them.
     
  2. boundarybunnyco

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    my Flemish doe was doing this after I brought them in, but now she's settled down quite a bit. maybe she just needs time.
     

  3. Mike Hotel

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    That's what I'm thinking. She's pretty nutsy to begin with. Cute little kits. If they make it through the night, I'll post pics.
     
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    Kits only need to nurse once or twice in 24 hours. Constantly bringing the doe in and out is going to stress her.
     
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    Good to know. Even if they're wrinkly? How long should I let them nurse?
     
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    Till they don't appear so wrinkly. They should look like they have swallowed a grape.
     
  7. Caprice Acres

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    No such thing as a BEW new zealand. :)

    My whites weren't good mothers either. The one I had that WOULD breed, I had to stuff in the box every day. I figured that out late and only 4 survived. I still have one of her daughters (half silver fox) and she's a superb mother.
     
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    limited in my experience, but I've found the californian doe to be the best mother. I've had the flemish, a new zealand, and the californian. if I could find more californian does nearby, I'd buy some. I've got the crosses that are about 4 months old, I'll give them a shot in a few months.
     
  9. Mike Hotel

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    I was thinking that after this I may swap out both the buck and doe for Californians. I wanted NZ because you can't find them as easily around here. I guess there's a reason for that.

    All three kits are doing well this morning. I've been holding the doe down to get her to nurse. I'm surprised she tolerates it. Is it normal for her teats to look like they've been a little bloody?
     
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    I don't know if it's normal, but that happened to my doe this time also. almost like the kits were biting. it's all cleared up now though. my four little kits are fat little rascals, and the doe is nursing some of the other doe's kits also.
     
  11. Mike Hotel

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    I'm hoping it clears up as well. She's really not into feeding them at all. They're looking pretty skinny at this point. Plenty of energy, though. I'm having to hold her and let them feed. They're ravenous!
     
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    I threw a little angora hair in the nest as well. Keeps them warm!
     
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    A truly all white rabbit, not grey or off white, with brown eyes would be what is called an ermine and most definitely not full new zealand. It requires nonextension (what causes red) and chinchilla genes. Crossed with a NZW doe that does not have nonextension you would get blacks, chins, and possibly REW if the buck carries it. A doe with nonextension could also give you more reds and ermines. The buck could be half NZW or NZR which white could hide nonextensions and red can carry rew for the white so both could get passed on by one new zealand parent. Then you'd need chinchilla from the other side. Or he could just be your typical commercial type build mutt of who knows how many breeds. :shrug: I've got weirder genetic mysteries right now... like my ermine that isn't an ermine because she has some odd grey tort like swirls on an otherwise white rabbit with dark eyes.
     
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    I agree that you should take the babies to the doe and not the other way around. You can stress her out, which is why she is tossing the nest around. The babies look pretty good, btw... Also, the one she ate, it was probably already dead as well. They don't usually eat live kits, although it does happen rarely. Usually, it is a dead one and they are "cleaning up". I will also agree on the Cali's. That is what I have and they have been excellent mothers, even with first litters.
     
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    Wellllllll.....I think I figured out why there is a black baby. I got home at the end of this week and they look......1/2 angora. My angora buck must have gotten at her. I'll post pics soon. They are sooooooo cute.
     
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    If this was her second time giving you kits & she's still a terrible mother & doesn't ever want to feed or care for her kits I'd put her in the freezer & find a replacemant.

    You said the kits are ravenous, are you sure she has milk coming in? Also what are you feeding her? I'd add a couple tablespoons of oats to her pellets & see if that doesn't help her produce a little more milk.
     
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    I just noticed when I scrolled back to the top of the post that this is from Dec. 17th so I'm hoping you have fat little kits & everything went well.
     
  20. Mike Hotel

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    We do! All three are fat little guys. I think all three are bucks, and I'm rethinking the angora angle. Their hair looked rather shaggy for a bit, but it is evening out.

    We've talked about sending the doe to freezer camp. She came from a breeder. I imagine she's inbred really hard. She has softened to the kits, but they had to get old enough to get the milk themselves.

    I was also sure that her milk was in because, believe it or not, you really can milk a rabbit. They've all started on a little food and seem to be loving it, but we're still letting them hang with mama twice a day.