Gatling guns are legal?

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  1. InvalidID

    InvalidID Too Complicated For Cable

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    So I was talking to a friend this morning and he tells me that the ATF has ruled that hand cranked Gatling guns are legal. Supposedly the definition of machine gun is having more than one round fire everytime the trigger is engaged. As such, a hand cranked Gatling gun fires only one round when the 'trigger' is engaged.

    Does anyone know anything about this? Can anyone think of a use for a hand cranked Gatling gun besides a monumental waste of ammo? Also, if they are legal today, anyone in the area with a machine shop want to get together...LOL
     
  2. Sam Boggs

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    Yes, Dr. Gatling's weapon is entirely legal UNLESS it is motorized and then it becomes a fully automatic weapon.
    Sam
     

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    I have lusted for one for a long time. Legal is good!
     
  4. mightybooboo

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    Deer Hunting? :thumb:

    I didnt know that,what about triggers on semi auto modified to a crank doodad,that legal? Everywhere?

    Interesting thought,thanks for the info.
     
  5. InvalidID

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    I do believe modifying a trigger to function differently than intended is illegal. I'm not a lawyer or a legal expert so anything I say regarding legal or not should, of course, be taken as an idea and not law. :D
     
  6. brosil

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    I think you might get into trouble building a new one in a larger caliber than.22. You are allowed to build one firearm for educational purposes but the Feds might consider that multiple firearms. Check before building. Owning and using a commercially made Gatling is definitely legal. So is a Hotchkiss gun which really surprised me.
     
  7. hhhandyman

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    There are kits available that allow you to convert a pair of Ruger 10/22's into a hand cranked pedestal or tripod mounted "machine gun". Expensive to buy, but keeps the ammo cost down. Replica Gatling guns are custom built and carry a price tag of $20,000. plus!
     
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    I didn't even know what a Hotchkiss gun was until this thread. I almost want one, except I have no idea where I'd get ammo for it, or where I'd play with it...lol
     
  9. Bearfootfarm

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    It's legal under Federal law.

    There are to many other local laws to say it's legal "everywhere" without a lot of research
     
  10. zant

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    Hand cranked Gatling Guns have ALWAYS been legal-they will NOT fire more than 1 bullet with 1 pull of trigger or crank index.We were at a shoot years ago and I had a table setup to sell a few Title 3 weapons(I was giving up my SOT-3k for 3yrs)when a guy came over and said "check this out"-him and his dad had a homemade 7.62x51 Gatling,father had taken crank off and attached makita cordless to it-we freaked and told him to take it off IMMEDIATELY-go ask nice atf man that was circulating looking for someone to bust-he was told in no uncertain terms/with paper explanation if he attached makita to crank,pulled trigger and more than 1 bullet came out-he was in possession of illegal machine gun-he did'nt try it(we knew it worked),put makita away and everyone had a fine day....Triger "bump" mechanism are perfectly legal-a large rubber band works too-there is a utube video showing how to hold rubber band-it works-can't hit squat because you're hip shooting(without 1000s of rds of practice)
     
  11. windhound

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    Be VERY careful here:
    ATF sent out a bulletin a few years back basically stating that a SHOESTRING, when looped from finger to belt loop, across face of trigger to facilitate "bumpfiring" IS a machine gun!
     
  12. NewGround

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    I've seen plans for the 22 caliber versions but figured I'd just blow all my money on ammo with something like that...

    Besides, getting a holster that fits is the hard part...
     
  13. Blu3duk

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    yes a real Gatling in decent or restored shape is worth having, it would be a solid investment, the last one i seen offered was all original brass, price tag was $350,000.00 and it was a 45-70 still, some of the brass were different calibres if i remember correctly made for export to Asia....

    on a side note, in China they made a wheelbarrow mount for a Gatling gun, and her in the several states a saddle mount for a camel was produced, Camels of course were used temporarily by the Marine Corps and discontinued for being stubborn or something to that effect.... or maybe it was to hard to train Marines to use them....

    I would love to possess both mounts for historical purposes of course..... along with working model to shoot at rogue watermelons.

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  14. zant

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    I know where you're coming from BUT..it was ruled that just having a shoestring did not allow firearm to fire more than 1 bullet with pull of trigger....ATF has been caught on tape doing illegal procedures to firearms that cause them to fire more than 1 shot per trigger pull...very simple-don't have in your possession ANY M16 parts in an AR15...if your firearm"doubles",it is a worn sear or disconnector-replace immediately...Full auto is a lot of fun...but AIMED fire is a lot more effective:)
     
  15. ace admirer

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    legal ..it is manually fired, not automatically fired. if motor driven,,,then it is automatic, not legal....
    in our state,,,,never heard of one that it is not (except perhaps that far west one)....bump firing is legal,, how the heck would anyone control it....as long as jeans have pockets and shooters have fingers,,,,,.but of what practicle value is it. as Zant said "but AIMED fire is a lot more effective"

    I think i noticed the little 1022 crank thing a few weeks ago in a gun magizine...
     
  16. Ed Norman

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    20 years ago I bought plans for a Gatling gun and they seemed workable. I put off building it until I came to my senses. I thought 38 Special might be a good caliber, you'd want a little more bang than a 22 after all that work. Set it up on a tripod pointing in the right direction and it would be a fine coyote calling rifle.
     
  17. cast iron

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    There doesn't need to be 'practical value' to everything. Some things you do just because you can. Some things you do just because they are fun. You don't have to justify wanting one of these things for fun to anyone. Just do it.

    I get real tired when we spend all kinds of time trying desperately to come up with excuses and practical justification for some of the things we want. 'Because you can' is as valid a justification as any.

    Oh yeah, and this business about wasting ammo? Shooting for recreational pleasure is not wasting ammo, it's called having fun, whether it's precision shooting with select aimed fire or occasionally letting loose with some rapid fire and chasing a golf ball or other reactive target up the hill. ---- this PC world drives me crazy sometimes.
     
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  18. Darren

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    Machine guns are legal in many of the states.
     
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    If you can find an electric mini-gun (gatling gun) manufactured prior to to 1986 you can legally own it in many States.

    Of course you also need to do the whole Form 4, pay 250.00 extra for the tax stamp (chump change compared to the gun) and get local LEO approval.

    We just did a shoot on the farm a couple days ago that involved LOTS of machine guns. All legally owned in the eyes of the State and Federal government. My good friend had some relatives come in from Britain and wanted to show off the freedoms we had regarding firearms...

    A minigun is no different and subject to the same rules.

    I think that gets expanded if you you are a Class III firearms dealer and legally buy and sell such devices as controlled by the National Firearms Act. This includes all suppressors, and SBRs as well but not necessarily post 1986 manufactured items, which may be covered under "samples".

    I am neither a lawyer or a gun seller so may not be recalling this all correctly.

    It is completely legal to own a fully automatic weapon, suppressor, or short barreled weapon. State dependent and lots of hoops to jump through.
     
  20. Cabin Fever

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    Anyone can have thier FFL or gunshop order this brand new M1877 "Bulldog" gatling gun (.45-70) below from US Armament Corp.

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