Bad Amish Loggers

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  1. big rockpile

    big rockpile If I need a Shelter

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    Couple months ago I talked to a Guy I know about cutting Logs on my place.He just hasn't got around to me.

    But the Amish have been doing some Logging in a few places around me and to tell the truth it was scaring me as to what they was distroying.

    I tried calling the Guy I had to back out of selling my Logs.But my DS that has worked for him said not to worry he wouldn't tear my place up that the Amish are the worst Loggers to ever come into the area.

    Surprised me.

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  2. fishhead

    fishhead Well-Known Member Supporter

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    Maybe it's that "dominion over nature" thing or maybe the Amish in your area just don't care. My opinion of that religion changed when I heard how they treat their animals.
     

  3. ronbre

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    kinda surprises me too as they are generally known for very good work..

    we had pulpers come in and pulp off the aspen on our property and they stole trees and ruined our woods..they weren't amish..but they were jerks
     
  4. uncle Will in In.

    uncle Will in In. Well-Known Member Supporter

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    Buying and cutting timber is done for the money. If doing a rough shod job makes the most money, a large number of the people doing it will go for the dollar, especially if doing a good job will be less profitable. That attitude works the same with all humans. To find a good logger, check out his past jobs and the land owners. Looking at his hat won't tell you what you want to know.
     
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    geo in mi Well-Known Member Supporter

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    Well, you got yer Pennsylvania Dutch, yer Rotterdam Dutch, yer Amsterdam Dutch. yer ______ Dutch,,,,,,,,
     
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  7. Micheal

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    "what they were destroying" and what were they ruining? Sure it just isn't the differences in logging?????
    Why I ask is because around here loggers use skidders with those super wide/soft tires - you know the type that can run over your feet without causing you any pain.... unless you happen to catch a chained tire. :sob:
    Where as the Amish do use shod horses that do leave hoof prints and oh yea if'n the horses step on your feet there will be pain - lots and lots of pain. :eek:
    Skidders lift the logs up so only the back section is dragging the ground. The horses just drag the whole log along the ground, sometimes digging in and leaving a furrow all along.
    Something else different is the length of log skidded, Machines will pull out a sizable 20-30 foot log. The horses couldn't move something that size so it would take 2 or more trips to pull out the same log.
    Skidders though usually make many straight lanes where as with the horses pulling a shorter log can log the same area using a lot fewer main roads...
    But hey, that's the difference(s) least wise around this neck of the woods.... :cowboy:
     
  8. beachcomber

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    what does amish have to do with it
     
  9. FarmboyBill

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    If anybodys in the logging business and wants to work on others properties with horses, theres a impliment called a logging arch that does the same thing, lift up the front end. Makes it easier on the horses, and dosent trough the earth, AND, usually these things are home made.
     
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    luvrulz Well-Known Member Supporter

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    The ones I know personally are very good land stewards and care implicitly for their animals and their land and their children. Sorry for your luck and the ones you've come into contact with -
     
  11. big rockpile

    big rockpile If I need a Shelter

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    Well these don't use Horses.The places I seen they was distroying everything.My Son said he seen one place they was cutting Walnut.Thing is they was cutting all Walnut wheather they made Logs or not.

    My neighbor had the Amish cut on him it looked really BAD.I asked him about the Guy I had coming he said he doesn't tear up so much because his equipment isn't so big.

    I'm just wanting to open up my timber for more browse .

    Oh well we'll see.

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  12. Johnny Dolittle

    Johnny Dolittle Outstanding in my field

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    The Amish have NO ability to manage a wood lot. Allowing them to cut and skid with horses is not a bad idea ..... but do not let them decide what to cut and what to leave standing. Hire a forester to decide what to cut and what to leave standing. Many of the Amish are good farmers but they know nothing about forest management .... they don't have a clue.

    Well perhaps I should explain: The Amish know which trees have value and it only makes sense to them to cut those trees.... they will be looking out for their own interests and not yours.

    The Amish generally are like the English (Amish refer to anyone not Amish as "English") ..... there is the good, the bad, and the ugly and I have experienced all three !

    The ugly is when you take them to court for timber theft.... they would not settle out of court so I had to hire a lawer to get it done.

    We have a clan of them locally that are made up of outcasts from the good ones.
     
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    Logging, by it's very nature, is a very destructive process. You're destroying a forest and leaving behind a ruined landscape... never seen a logged tract that looked 'pretty'. There is one local guy that'll small scale log your place, and prettify it up when he leaves... of course, if you want it realllll purty, you'll not get any cash out of the deal. Loggers want logs, and logs only. Making purty and cleaning up doesn't make them money, and if they do it, they'll necessarily have to pay you less, if anything.

    Knowing loggers, I'd not call any one group, like the Amish, bad...
     
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    The reputation people have given the Amish for high quality work is vastly overblown and generally false. Most, in my experience, are going to make a buck off you, and you're just english, not really human.
     
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    There's a guy in this area that uses a machine, forgot what it's called, that cuts trees off at the ground, then pushes them where ever you want, biggest thing is, it looks so neat when it's done, no stumps sticking up, or brush left--just brush piles, where you want them, for rabbits, etc.
     
  16. springvalley

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    Once again some of you on herehave lumped one people into a group of no goods. The Amish on a whole are good people, As Johnny Dolittle stated there are good ,bad , and not to honest Amish. The thing here is the guys next door logging are ruining alot of stuff, they might even be Menonites. I have never seen Amish running heavy equipment, but hey I don`t get out as much as I use to. I to have had bad loggers, they leave a mess and cut and run, I had to threaten to call my lawyer in order to get them to come back and clean up. And no I`m not a fuss budget, they said that they would do that and I held them to it, they left tops in the creek and crap all over. And I quote the one guy told me " It will look like a park when were done " boy don`t know what kinda park he goes to , but it wasn`t one. Anyway good luck Rock, The Amish are good people. Thanks Marc
     
  17. Johnny Dolittle

    Johnny Dolittle Outstanding in my field

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    I would not agree that it is generally false but sometimes false and often overblown.

    A friend of mine had an old warped two story farmhouse ..... he removed the second story and cobbled on a new roof and fixed up the interior and some years later his wife wanted the cobbled roof taken off and replaced with trusses so that the house would look good again. They hired the Amish to do it and during the first rain they noticed that the water was flowing the wrong way in the gutters and not going down the down spouts !!!!!

    The Amish in there craftsmanship are just like the English and you should only hire if you know a crew has a good reputation.
     
  18. jeff1981

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    Why would you assume that their religion (Amish) has anything to do with weather or not they are good loggers? I lived in PA for a long time, and I can assure you that there are good and bad tradesmen of all religions. Their being Amish has nothing to do with their logging. It's just that there are some bad loggers out there.
     
  19. big rockpile

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    Ok I see where this is going.I put Amish because they do most the Logging here at this time.The Guy I got isn't Amish and with his equipment don't tear up as much,he will try to not distroy trees that your wanting to keep.Yes I understand it can't be helped losing some but the Amish seem like they just want to Clear Cut I understand this is much easier.

    Yes I know they are good people as matter fact I had one stop help me the other day coming from Church I didn't have the proper Lug Wrench to tighten my Lugs after having a flat.This Amish stopped had Lug Wrench in their Van he let me use.

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  20. hunter63

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    Nothing, they are the same as everyone else, just go to a different church.
    Good ones, bad ones and everything in between.