July 18 Bunker Index - Hard-Broiled News!

I posted a Reuters article on your other thread on this subject. It is hardly a secret. Try out Google. You'd be amazed what you find.

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This would effect big ag and the small farmer equally.


Big ag does not require tractors and impliments be registered for on road. This new proposal would cost them plenty.

Currently most small farms/ranches use road worhty pickups and stock trailors that are licenced. These would not be effected. Many ranches do use big rig outfits and they are also already licenced. In regards to product transportation, this new proposal will have little impact. Much farm work here already requires a CDL.

Tractors are a different story. They are not registered. Not insured. and fuel costs are reduced with on road tax's removed. These would be hit hard. Whether a small farm or large big ag, they would be hit hard.

Control the production of food, control the masses. Wisconsin would be just one big FEMA camp.

I don't think the rural council had anything to do with this. I think the do-gooders at DOT thought it up all by themselves. The executive order creating the rural council was just signed a few weeks ago. The rural council might not have even had a meeting yet. They have to organize the schedules of a lot of muckety-mucks to have a meeting.

This is definitely outside the bounds of common sense regarding safety. Operating a tractor or combine is a whole different skill set than an 18-wheeler. Having a CDL wouldn't make it any safer to take big farm machines down the road to the next piece of land. All it would do is cost more money and create headaches. Around here, kids as young as 14 drive big trucks at harvest time. This would sure take the "family" out of family farming once they can't help out anymore and learn their future trade.

The feds don't get the money from a CDL license, the state DMV does. So the incentive can't be money for the feds, just control.

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Gee, that old agrarian, self sufficient idea is looking better now...

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After reading this thread and the very informative responses I'd recommend people write their Congress Critter. Will it make this go away? Maybe maybe not, but it'll at least let folks know we are aware of this.
There is the chance it does help though, I know here in SW Washington we have a decent (so far) Congress woman. She might be interested in helping.

That's all I can think of.

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This would be the death knell to the small time farmer. It would require all of us to homestead instead of farm e.g. butcher our own beef, grow our own crops. But the worst fact is probably the precedent set by our federal government in the way they are maneuvering this past the state's rights issue. If they can make us follow their rules under the guise that our produce may cross state lines, then they can dictate every facet of our lives: who raises what livestock, who can raise livestock, ect, ect. ect to infinity!!!! This is very bad news. Regardless of whether or not it passes because this tells us where their heads and their motives are.

Even now if you got a one ton truck and neck over trailer you may be in trouble . And those farmers and ranchers for the most part run farm plates not commercial . CDL and health card not required . If you enter more than one state under this new plan you would need a CDL and aporshened plates costing better than a thousand dollars plus the need for operating authority instead of a few hundred bucks for farm plate plus the com. insurance . One farmer near here has 16 semi's lots of farmers couldn't pass the CDL test

All a farmer cares about is when they hit the break the truck stops not why or how . If they get crazier with all these laws more farmers will go broke and folks are going to love the new price increases This is the now think my truck is licensed 26,000 grass under CDL and as privet carrier with USDOT numbers .

http://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/

Americans are being provoked, plain and simple.

The government, at every level, has been slowly gearing up their bureaucracies for gun battles, and the PTB are provoking as fast as they can.
Why ? Because they are ready to deal with armed insurrection. They just are.
Lose the illusion that government is a rusty, stupid assembly that can't get anything right. That's what they'd like you to believe, and bureaucrats at the lower end are the evidence they allow you to see.

I assure you. They know exactly what they are doing, and it has NOTHING to do with revenue. It is about driving out the last holdouts who have basic control over their own lives. It is economic/bureaucratic induced genocide.....to be shortly followed by a more direct approach.

"First, they came for the Jews........"

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I agree with both of you... My first line in the sand has always been my farm and what I freely do with it... Voting will not come in time I'm afraid.... And that scares me. I was sitting here sharpening some knives, think I'll put the honing oil away and work with some CLP instead and stew on this for a while.

Most farmers in my area have CDL because they use semis to haul crops. At harvest time there are semis lined up in the field and the grain carts & combine auger grain directly into semis. Also, they haul from home storage to the elevator or to ethonol plant with semis. In fact, quite a few drive over the road semi during off season. Some smaller farmers still haul to town with grain wagons mostly on county farm to market roads. I can't imagine that Iowa's or any ag state's Congressmen or Senators would agree to such a bill.

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It's not a bill.

Congress is not needed to make regulation.

And there's the rub huh? The DOT is trying to grab power FOR Congress. I can't see why people in Congress (unless they are constitutionalists) wouldn't want to grab more power. Gives them more leverage to extort us.... and more leverage to be exploited by Big business.

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Yep. But Congress gives it's power away.

Just look at the gunwalker case. The DOJ runs the congress critters in circles. These "Departments of ---" make no bones about it. Congress does not have control.

Ann-NWIowa is right. I doubt many Congressman or Senators would vote for such a thing.

Just because they use semi's don't mean they got a CDL farmers and privet carriers are exempt in most cases

In NY a Class A (CDL) has more regs than a Class B. Many farmers have a B, the health cert with an A would cause problems for many as it includes a hearing test. Not 100% sure but I do not believe the B carries the same health exam.
The stats on family farms are dismal. The last ones I saw were really sad. The Cornell Cooperative Extension publishes them every so often. The only real family farms in my immediate area are Menninite or Amish with very few exceptions. The rest are corp with a lot of outside help, many Mexicans. The only exception I can think of is a farmer that won a lawsuit, which paid for his farm.

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Congress can regain control of Fed Depts. easily if they grow a backbone. Cut all funding for any agency that does not cooperate fully with them and make an example of a couple. They can and do control the purse strings.

Congress regularly hands bureaucracy a blank check to use as they see fit in crushing the life and substance out of people. That's on purpose.
The irony is that people give congress a blank check to begin with.

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