Home Security

Last March an Albany teacher who was in the Buffalo area attending a friend's baby shower was shot & killed. He had appently left the party came back but walked into the wrong house threw an unlocked door. Wife called 911 while the husband armed with a shot gun yelled out warnings. I believe that was verified on the 911 tapes. They weren't charged. http://www.buffalonews.com/incoming/article40876.ece
http://www.buffalonews.com/incoming/article41288.ece
Moral to this is have 911 back up your claims.

Can u print out his police mug shots to hand out & post ?
Can u tract him online ? At least you will know his starting point.
ON speed dial number for his P.O. He or she may be a good resource. Also D.A.
Where I come from a few male friends or family members would pay him a visit.

~~ pelenaka ~~

I don't suppose you would want to go as far as to enter the Witness Protection Plan...

Or move far away...

Or change your name and physical appearance...

Or marry a big ole deputy sheriff...

Or track him down first... (Best defense is a good offence)

Just depends on how dangerous you think this guy really is.
SBJ

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In Texas, you can shoot anyone who crosses your threshold and threatens you.

What this means is: You can shoot anyone on your property, drag them into your house, and make sure they're dead.

I'm not trying to make light of your situation, but what I'm saying is I am in complete agreement with lethal force even under the assumtion or suspicion of bad intent; I don't need somebody to say out loud "I'm here to cause you harm" in order for me to feel like I AM in harm's way. The sight of this guy within sight of you should be all the excuse you need to use lethal force against him.

If he's dead, he can't refute whatever you SAY he said to you, you dig?

and, ah, yeah....have this thread deleted...

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In Texas they don't have to be in your house anymore. They can be on your property and if they are threatening you and you fear for your life you can shoot them. You can also protect your vehicle and your place of business as long as the company is ok with it.

That new law was passed about 2 years ago.

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I hardly believe asking people for advice on how to protect herself against a threat that is real and true would be considered premeditation.. If that person breaks into her home and she has to shoot him it is obviously self defense. She didn't ask for ways and weapons to go hunt him down on the street and kill him. If I remember right she has already talked to the police about this so it isn't like her prepping is a secret anyways.

If premeditation is proven by discussing things online then NO ONE ever should talk about the guns they have purchased, or want to purchase, for self defense since merely mentioning self defense would be premeditation for shooting someone.

I don't care what the law says in your state, if you shoot someone, and then move the body to make the crime scene appear differently than it was, your butt is going to be in trouble.

Frankly, I wonder why, if you truly felt the shooting was righteous in the first place, you would feel any need to move the body. Honestly, that makes me feel like perhaps you weren't in imminent fear for your life and wonder if you shouldn't have shot at all.

I guess I find the mention of premeditation as a concern for the OP almost ludicrous when others openly state they will shoot and then drag trespassers inside their homes. Talk about posts that could jump right up and bite you hard in the backside.

I get what you're saying, but ironically, I was TOLD about the law (and, yes, it was more than two years ago) by a COUNTY SHERRIFF. His words were, "protect yourself at all costs....but make sure the body is over your threshold when I get here...."

Glad to know that the law was changed; bodies can be heavy and unmanageable when lifeless....

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Wake up. It's already been done in numerous circumstances.

I will additionally point out that there have been juries who convicted homeowners of premeditated murder on the basis that they hid in a dark room and shot an intruder in the back. In one case, a jury convicted a homeowner of attempted murder (the intruder did not die) simply because they decided that the act of pulling back the hammer on his pistol constituted "premeditation".

I'm not saying someone SHOULDN'T defend themselves against an intruder. Nobody who knows me would even begin to believe I'd be saying that.

What I'm saying is that your ordeal does not end when the intruder stops twitching on your floor. Preparation also involves knowing how to handle the legal aspects POST-SHOOTING.

Best advice I can give anyone? Don't talk to the police without a lawyer present. Don't talk to anyone else about the event either. Specifically never tell anyone that you suspect you may have to shoot a relative, neighbor, coworker, etc.

and you must stop shooting after they are dead or down and you can cover them or retreat to safty , at least in wisconsin.

Make the first shot count. The first shot will not usually get you in trouble if they are already in your house or attempting to break in. A second shot can get you in trouble. If the first shot is a good one there is no need for a second shot.

You WERE cleaning your gun, weren't you?...

In Alabama, the legal concept is that you go to any and all reasonable lengths to AVOID getting in a confrontational situation. Even when the confrontation starts, you STILL are supposed to try and avoid it. Only then is force allowable as needed, and then you are supposed to again back-off as soon as possible.

Actually, with the hot headed good-ol' boys around who would otherwise constantly be copping an attitude and making trouble, the concept makes sense. Once the slow-learners buck up against it a couple of times, it works to keep a lot of people OUT of jail. If you examine the idea closely, it really is a "live and let live" attitude, and respect the rights of others, which is something that didn't exist in the state during pre-civil rights times.

To give an idea of how the concept works, I remember back to a time when I had a theatre in a run-down part of a town near Birmingham. My cashier at the theatre was a savvy middle-aged black woman. One evening a young guy came up and part-playfully, but with obviously more serious intent, told her to give him all her money. She just looked up at him dead in the eye, smiled, and said "Don't make me pull my gun out of my purse." She then asked if he wanted to pay to see a movie or go find himself something else to do. She kept the kid out of trouble, remained safe and cool, and just continued on. Because she wasn't directly challenging, but stated possible ways the situation could end, the kid had an out and didn't escalate or try to retaliate. I was stunned that she was that smart and cool, and she taught me a lesson I won't forget.

Wake up to what Ernie?

The hypocrisy of warning her about premeditation for asking for advice on how to protect herself on a forum where people openly talk about shooting an intruder repeatedly and then moving the body from outside the house to inside? Or where people openly post signs like "Trespassers will be shot, witnesses shot twice." Or maybe this one "There is nothing here worth dying for." Or discussing what pistol round is the most effective stopper, or what shotgun and what load to put in it to stop an intruder.

Do tell why her simply asking advice is premeditation and the others aren't. Because frankly, I think you are wrong.

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That's it! Thank you, Jen. I'll be sending off an order for a couple of them, pronto.

I'd be really interested in the window film, too, if I could get a link to a site selling it. Unfortunately, I live in a manufactured home, double wide, with a really open floor plan and no place to make into a safe room. Big windows in every room, all on one floor, so it's really light and airy, but not very safe from intruders. Moving is not an option, as homes just aren't selling in my area, and besides, if he can find me here, he'd be able to find me anywhere else, if he really wanted to. I'm not sure he'll even try anything...but I'd rather be as prepared as possible and have absolutely nothing happen, than not be prepared at all and have him show up on my doorstep prepared to kill me. I don't consider it premeditation to be able to protect myself, and the sheriff's deputy didn't either - he told me he thought I was being smart. I don't think our local DA is likely to press charges against me if I am forced to defend myself - this is a pretty firm law and order community, and a convicted child rapist vs a lifetime local resident, an RN at the local hospital, a single woman...don't think there's gonna be a lot of sympathy for the rapist. I would not be shooting unless I feel that my life is in danger - of course, if he shows up here, I WOULD feel my life was in danger - there is NO good reason for him to be at my home.

I do think I might be in more danger coming and going from work or being out and about. He knows where I work, and I'm not going to switch jobs, so I'll be asking security to walk me out or I'll walk out with co-workers. I can go in and out of several different doors, too, so if I vary where I park, what I drive, and how I enter and leave the building, that may help. I've been thinking about this a lot, and making as many plans as I can to ensure my safety. I wish I could get my bff to do the same. It's her ex-h, and she is scared, but deals with danger by hoping it will just go away...

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LOL - maybe the big ol' deputy sheriff, if I could find one that was single!

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I just wanted to say thank you to all of you that have taken the time to post your suggestions and support. HT has some of hte neatest people on it - I sure wish you could all be my neighbors - I'd feel pretty darn safe with y'all having my back.

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voice alert 6 system, you can have up to six different sensors that you record your voice and when the sensor trips, it will say front gate, garage, back door, ect. Whatever you record. The nice thing about it though is you set the sensors by dip switches inside them, so you could have as many as you want but only 6 different areas monitored. So you could have 5 on a left hand fence, so every time they would trip, it would say left hand fence, if you mounted a motion light by each sensor, you could pinpoint at what location they were at



http://www.defensedevices.com/voice-...-it-works.html

3m safety film

comes up to 8 mils thick, used by all govt buildings here in my state, above 7 mil i considered blast proof, the estimate I got was for 1000 dollars for my whole house

http://solutions.3m.com/wps/portal/3..._Window_Films/



door jamb armor, it had plates that protects your hinges, lockset and deadbolt, which are your weakest points