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Old 10/12/07, 08:11 AM
 
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Grace&Violets, You could be right. During WWII and rationing, you could can all you wanted but no sugar much. I do not remember how hard it was to get lids, mom used the zinc lid and jar rubbers back then. They would issue you a little extra sugar for canning. You could have your own meat and canned stuff. They tried to get all to have a victory garden. We had chickens and were living on edge of Denver during most of that time. Not much garden. I have seen times here I could not buy canning lids. 60's .

I had a pen pal in Ireland after WWII and she said they had to turn in their eggs. Could only keep so many. Things can happen , I know.

I can remember lumber was on prioity. My dad ran a small saw mill and was not under that law as so little lumber to sell.

Yeah, you buy up a lot and fill a ware house and things go bad yeah, I think they could/would go after you if they find out. Black marketing is sure out.

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Old 10/12/07, 08:37 AM
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All nations and governments have established this law since time began. Anytime there's a war the military can seize all that you've got to suppliment their needs. Including using your place as a headquarter of some sort. In past history, they would take all your food and clothing and any healthy male members.

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Old 10/12/07, 08:45 AM
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I have a feeling that nobody is going to care when you bought something, only that you have more than they feel you should have, and are therefore hoarding.
And there you have it in a nutshell.

All the rest is just hand wringing that serves no useful purpose.

It really does not matter what the law does or does not say, does it? If there was an Executive Order that explicitly forbade keeping more than two weeks worth of food in your home would you obey it?

A closed mouth gathers no government busybodies.

The manpower that would be necessary for the government (federal, state, local) to police how much food you have in your home would be so large as to make the entire proposition highly unlikely. Unless you were doing something stupid like bragging to friends and neighbors how much food you had in your home. Or if you were trying to make a killing in the black market or by trying to profiteer scarce supplies. Those are just the kinds of things to bring the man down on your neck.

A closed mouth gathers no government busybodies.

If you acquired your stuff before food or whatever became scarce when few people would notice or care and don't try to take more than your fair share of whatever there is after things get scarce who is going to know what you've got?

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Old 10/12/07, 12:10 PM
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I'm not sure what the hoarding laws are about. I find it's best just to keep quiet about it. When you consider it, there's probably twelve felonies we commit on a daily basis and simply don't know about it. They have laws for everything now.

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And the best use for NAIS - to tell the Feds and Staties exactly what you have and where it is.

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Old 10/12/07, 06:09 PM
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All nations and governments have established this law since time began. Anytime there's a war the military can seize all that you've got to suppliment their needs. Including using your place as a headquarter of some sort. In past history, they would take all your food and clothing and any healthy male members.
they can take anything they want, but i am keeping the male member!
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Old 10/12/07, 08:20 PM
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You should have a three month supply on hand. I heard it on the Science channel. They said the gov't recommends everyone have 3 months. They don't say how many SETS of three you need, I guess that's up to you. Personally, we have 7 people here, I was thinking 7 sets of 3 just to to be safe and follow orders. If anyone asks, it's 3 months, just like the gov't told me to.

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Old 01/18/08, 09:46 AM
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Bump.

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Old 01/20/08, 07:46 AM
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I can show you a true hoarder, lives in Grade 4 Squalor. Ewww....
I have to follow the link and see what else I can read that will keep me awake tonight
Seriously, with the satellite capabilities and the search capabilities, I sometimes wonder about even postiing here. And to think I just downloaded a manual for emergenycy medicine

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Old 01/20/08, 08:04 AM
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Yup, I am staying awake tonight.
This makes a lot of other pieces of information I have gathered over the last few years fall into place, a very dark place. It also explains some of the threads here.
Thanks for bumping this one.

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Kmac, if you have a weeks worth I am coming to your house to help you keep from violating the law. "Ain't got no stinkin food"--where are my food stamps, gub housing, need help with my electric bil, and money for school lunchs. wc

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Well after reading this thread I just want to proclaim that I have never whored in my life.


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Well after reading this thread I just want to proclaim that I have never whored in my life.


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Well after reading this thread I just want to proclaim that I have never whored in my life.


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I wondered about this, until I read the whole thread again.
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Old 01/20/08, 02:40 PM
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Don't the hoarding laws only pertain to store bought goods?

If you have thousands of jars of home canned food it's not hoarding.
If you have thousands of cans of store bought food it would be hoarding.

A large stock of any store bought item would be considered hoarding.

Maybe I am way off base here, but that's how I understand the hoarding laws.

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There are executive orders that deal with hoarding and I think you find them among the ones that deal with FEMA.

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I expect that any interpretation of "anti-hoarding laws" will depend on who is "enforcing" those laws. I still will continue to prep because it is really not too likely any .gov type people are going to show up here wanting to requisition my "hoarded supplies". I also won't let the neighbors see what I have, nor do I talk about prepping locally.

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So if you have a big bunch of jackboots decending on you proclaiming that you are "hoarding" . . .it might be better for your health to not draw down on them.

Would be interesting watching those jboots confronting the Mormon folks about their full pantrys

yup . .a good time tobe . . quiet.......

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Old 01/20/08, 09:21 PM
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The hoarding laws pertain to whatever the man with the gun says they pertain to. He may or may not have a badge or a military rank. It really doesn't matter.

It has been this way since the beginning of time and likely always will be.

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Old 01/20/08, 10:33 PM
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Talked to an aquaintance I haven't seen for some time, he told me the gov now has hoarding laws.

In other words, it's against the law to 'hoard.' Whatever that means.


Does anyone know anything about this? Is this Federal, or state to state?
So are "they" going to prosecute the entire Church of Jesus Christ of Later Day Saints? As I seem to recall, (I could be wrong), that each family tries to keep three years supply of food.

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