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Old 02/11/13, 05:58 AM
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Obama OKs storm aid as Northeast digs out




345,000 homes and businesses in region still without electricity




By Robert Schroeder, MarketWatch
WASHINGTON (MarketWatch) — President Obama on Sunday approved federal aid for blizzard-battered Connecticut, as that state and others in the Northeast dug out from a major snowstorm that left hundreds of thousands without power and at least 10 people dead.

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A man clears his sidewalk after a blizzard hits Boston.
Obama authorized the Federal Emergency Management Agency and the Department of Homeland Security to coordinate disaster-relief efforts in Connecticut, where more than three feet of snow fell in some parts of the state.
New York, Massachusetts, Maine and other states also continue to grapple with the aftermath of the storm, but as of Sunday morning there had been no announcement of aid to those states.
Connecticut Gov. Dannel Malloy, a Democrat, on Saturday predicted that recovery would take several days and said that he would ask Obama for help from the federal government. Obama’s emergency declaration also includes direct aid, the White House said.
“Emergency protective measures, including direct federal assistance, will be provided at 75% federal funding. This emergency assistance will be provided for a period of 48 hours,” the White House said in a statement.





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Just a thought. I feel for those people who are without power and the amount of snow is staggering, but what did people used to do in these situations? Please do not think that I do not believe aid is needed, but this was not always to case that government came to your aid.

I worry for people in today's society as they seem so helpless in the face of anything small, never mind the really big stuff.

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Old 02/11/13, 10:27 AM
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When I lived in the moutains in Colorado we regularly got 2-4 ft. You wait till its over, rest , get the snow blower out and clean the walks and drive. Rest another day while they clean the roads then put your cutoffs on and go to the house your building wiht the blower and blow it off and start work.

Its water. It will be in the low 40's high 30's . With a little sun it will melt. Hard to believe that these people live without snow blowers and such. Its not like its unusual to get snow. Even if its a little more than usual

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Just a thought. I feel for those people who are without power and the amount of snow is staggering, but what did people used to do in these situations? Please do not think that I do not believe aid is needed, but this was not always to case that government came to your aid.

I worry for people in today's society as they seem so helpless in the face of anything small, never mind the really big stuff.
It is insanely scarey that people just wait for help instead of trying to help themselves. I do not know why they feel that it is the Gov't responsibility to cover EVERY THING!
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Yeah I was forced out on the roads by work and saw a lot of stranded people that if they threw shovel in their vehicle wouldn't be stuck. On the way home I helped shovel one out, but on the way to work they're out of luck I just call it in. The worst part is if you ask them if they were going to work or coming home from work they're not. I 95 southbound by exit 63 continuing south was one barely plowed lane yesterday morning about 7am and I saw the most amazing convoy of cherry picker utility trucks coming in northbound from different out of state contractors at that same time. Some exits were completely closed. Exit 61 was a scary tunnel of snow.

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It is insanely scarey that people just wait for help instead of trying to help themselves. I do not know why they feel that it is the Gov't responsibility to cover EVERY THING!
I think a large percentage of the people in CT. would agree with you.
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Malloy sucks. I didn't vote for him.
When Obama recently announced plans to stop deporting young illegal immigrants who entered the United States as children it seemed to be a radically new immigration policy. However, Malloy has been a frontrunner in this category. In 2010 Malloy was quoted saying that he chooses “to make sure that people who are living in our community received appropriate services and required federal services regardless of their status.” In an even more radical step, one that made Obama’s own administration angry, Malloy announced in February that he would decide on a “case-by-case” basis which illegal immigrants discovered in Connecticut he will turn over to U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement.

http://www.raisinghale.com/2012/11/0...bama-peas-pod/
So we have sales tax, property tax, vehicle tax, income tax....

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“The slow growth in the national economy has created increasing demand for state services while at the same time producing lower revenue collections,” Lembo said. “Traditionally, even after the national economy improves, there is a lag before the state budget realizes the full benefit of the general economic improvement.”
http://www.ctnewsjunkie.com/ctnj.php...grows_to_140m/

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Political corruption. You can be illegally in Connecticut and break laws and still stay.
Connecticut Governor Dan Malloy announced he is going to take the time out of his busy schedule to pick and choose which illegal immigrants should be deported and which ones get to stay after they’ve been arrested of yet another law.

http://www.examiner.com/article/gove...mnesty-program
So why didn’t the government appeal this ruling? After all the 8th Circuit Appeals Court just last month ruled that illegal aliens do not have the legal right to bear arms because of their criminal invader status. And immigration judges are not like other Federal judges, and can actually be overruled by the Justice Department. No such action was taken here because the Obama DOJ wants to grant amnesty to as many illegals as possible, and reward sanctuary cities for thei lawlessness.

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If the money actually goes to helping the people in need from this storm that is one thing. But ill have a serious problem with this if the money is going to a bunch of other places Obama wants to give money to but uses the storm as a cover like they tried doing with the Sandy hurricane relief bill.


DM i agree Malloy is terrible. All hes done since he got into office is spend a ton of money and raise taxes which he said he wasnt going to do.

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On top of the deficits, a new report by Hartford-based Conning Inc. says that Connecticut has the lowest credit quality in the nation, in 50th place behind New Jersey and New York. When asked by a television reporter about the report, Malloy said he had not seen it.
http://articles.courant.com/2012-11-...cafero-deficit
Despite the largest tax increase in state history last year, Gov. Dannel P. Malloy said Thursday that the state now faces the prospect of a $1.2 billion deficit next year — a figure far worse than most legislators had expected.

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The last thing I have to say about Malloy is he's not saying what he's going to do to protect the 8 year olds in CT like the one that was raped by an illegal immigrant in December. He does make the news protecting them from fingerprinting though.

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It is insanely scarey that people just wait for help instead of trying to help themselves. I do not know why they feel that it is the Gov't responsibility to cover EVERY THING!
This is SO getting me right now.

6 families on a cul-de-sac. They are complaining that no one has come to plow their road - so they end up doing it themselves with the 2 snowblowers they have and the many capable people. Good for them for getting off their rears and doing it!

Others are just so pitiful that I have no words.

There was a woman on the news who was stuck in her car on a road and thought she was going to die. She wrote letters to her children and her husband in case she didn't get out. Now, let me tell you - this is Long Island. You are never more than a couple hundred feet from a house in most locations until you get way out. But she was in a highly populated area! She's going to die in the shadow of someone's home. REALLY?????? Get out of the car and walk it, lady!!!

http://www.countytimes.com/articles/...e737124686.txt

I just found this article and she was on the same road our church is on. VERY commercial with residential right behind it.

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This is why I hate the North east, east coast/gulf coast in general. In Oklahoma we have fires floods earthquakes tornada's etc. We help each other and ourselves. I am litterarly sickened by the mentality of these people. When has NY/NJ/NE not gotten snowfall, they had ample warning, more than they would of had even 5-10 years ago and yet here we are pouring more money into them. Small business loans, disaster relief loans, in some cases double and tripple paying someone on top of their insurance. Meanwhile I gurantee there is still homeless/truly poor up there not gettign a gall darn thing. and all the temp shelters etc will reject them because of their appearance and the fact they did not pull up to the relief agency in a lexus.

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When has NY/NJ/NE not gotten snowfall, they had ample warning,
To be honest, we haven't had snow like this in years. The last really big blizzard that we had was in '78 and since then, it's all been a foot or less and usually falling over less time. We seriously had 2 feet of snow fall in 6 hours. That's 4" an hour averaged out. I went to bed with only 4" on the ground and woke to being buried.

Because the snow fell so hard after having a whole day of rain and sleet, the plows were overwhelmed. 90% of our plowing in our town is done by contractors with pick-up trucks and there was no way that they were going to move this snow with that. Even our snowblower had one heck of a time with this stuff and it took us over 5 hours just to do our driveway with a very large snowblower and 5 other people hand shoveling. This snow was just that epic.
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The states that balance their budgets would have the funds to handle the situation a lot better.
We provide free services, etc. to people who show up and work under the table.
When “relocating” to the United States, it’s best to avoid states that have selfishly put the interests of their legal residents ahead of yours with laws that hinder your access to jobs and benefits. But many attractive destinations remain, endorsed by millions of illegal aliens already living in each.


Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2011/...#ixzz2KgxPDuyt

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To be honest, we haven't had snow like this in years. The last really big blizzard that we had was in '78 and since then, it's all been a foot or less and usually falling over less time. We seriously had 2 feet of snow fall in 6 hours. That's 4" an hour averaged out. I went to bed with only 4" on the ground and woke to being buried.

Because the snow fell so hard after having a whole day of rain and sleet, the plows were overwhelmed. 90% of our plowing in our town is done by contractors with pick-up trucks and there was no way that they were going to move this snow with that. Even our snowblower had one heck of a time with this stuff and it took us over 5 hours just to do our driveway with a very large snowblower and 5 other people hand shoveling. This snow was just that epic.
I do not think it really matters when your last big snow was. The point is that people knew days in advance this was coming. Like you said you were buried by morning why would people even try to go out in that mess. Also, from reading the States put out Executive Orders to be off the streets. They had warnings and should have heeded those warnings. I can see people being frustrated by the EO's, but really common sense should have been used in this event and they would have been safe...not stuck out somewhere...so they could be rescued.
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They needed to see if McDonald's was open.

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I do not think it really matters when your last big snow was. The point is that people knew days in advance this was coming. Like you said you were buried by morning why would people even try to go out in that mess. Also, from reading the States put out Executive Orders to be off the streets. They had warnings and should have heeded those warnings. I can see people being frustrated by the EO's, but really common sense should have been used in this event and they would have been safe...not stuck out somewhere...so they could be rescued.
It was not morning - or after the executive orders that people went out. It kind of went like this:

Morning snow - just a coating - people go to work
Mid morning rain and sleet - roads are salted, sanded and clear
Noontime - rain
2 pm - started back to snow, my husband left work shortly after
(realize that it HAD been raining which meant warmer temps and wet roads, now getting colder temps so wet roads begin to freeze) and roads are not good at all
5 pm - most businesses let their people out - MOST didn't allow people to leave work early so now you have typical rush hour in New York with increasingly bad roads. But we're NYers. We just plug on through and get home. Not this time. An hour commute turned into 5 hours - and then getting stuck on large major roads.
7 pm had 4" of snow on the ground with ice under it. Plows are out and handling it well but there are so many cars that are stuck on the road that they can't get to many main arteries.
10 pm had 7" of snow on the ground and plows are still doing great.
12 pm had over a foot of snow on the ground. Plows are beginning to struggle a little bit but they can do it.
3 am had 2'+ on the ground - plows are now burning out their transmissions because the snow is quite heavy so these plows are dropping out leaving more roads for less plows to do
6 am - we are totally buried.

So basically, there was no state of emergency declared until people were ready to leave work anyway. People got stuck before the majority of this storm hit. Unless they were able to leave work early, they were in danger. To me, it was a no brainer and our own office closed at 3 to allow people to get home and most live close by. If anyone lived further away, they absolutely could have left even earlier. Unfortunately, many companies don't feel that way.

But in our house, the kids and I were home all day on Friday and hubby was home by 2:45 so we were in good shape. A friend of mine left work at 3 pm (is a teacher) and usually his commute is an hour but it took him over 24 hours to actually get home and his car is one that was abandoned. He just had no choice! The police came to his car that was stuck with a snowmobile and picked him up, bringing him to the town hall. It was just a very very bad storm.
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Travel ban was in effect on limited access highways at 4pm. Employers who did not allow employees to leave should be held accountable. Most businesses like fast food, etc. were closed by 2pm.

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