THey keep pushin.. EPA going after Wood stoves

TNHermit · #1 01/08/13, 05:38 PM

Our ever so helpful government has decided that your wood burning stove is now a danger to the world. In another attempt to outlaw the off grid lifestyle, the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA), the same agency that was recently caught using drones to spy on Americans, is now going after home owners who use Wood Burning Stoves to heat their homes. Shortly after the re-election of President Obama, the agency announced new radical environmental regulations that threaten to effect people who live off the grid. The EPA’s new environmental regulations reduce the amount of airborne fine-particle matter from 15 micrograms to 12 micrograms per cubic meter of air.
This means that most wood burning stoves would now fall into a class that would deemed unacceptable under these new draconian measures. The EPA has even launched a nifty new website called burn wise to try to sway public opinion.
On their site, while trying to convince people to get rid of their old stoves and buy the new EPA-certified stoves, they sate that these older stove must be scraped and cannot be resold.
From the EPA Site:

The local air pollution agency says I can’t sell my old wood stove to help pay for an EPA-certified wood stove. Why is that?
Replacing an older stove with a cleaner-burning stove will not improve air quality if the older stove is reused somewhere else. For this reason, wood stove changeout programs usually require older stoves to be destroyed and recycled as scrap metal, or rendered inoperable.

Let’s hope this doesn’t fall under the jurisdiction of the newly created Department of Homeland Security Environmental Justice Units? The next thing you know we might all be getting a knock at the door….. Your Neighbor reported that you might be burning some wood, do you mind if we take a look around?

http://offgridsurvival.com/epa-woodb...toves-illegal/

DavisHillFarm · #2 01/08/13, 06:22 PM

What, no cash 4 woodstove program? Oh that's right, it's only us poor pee-ons who'll hustle their "behinders" around to cut wood, so we can stay off the free heating program.
It's comforting to know Barry and company are watching out for my welfare....NOT! They just keep tightening the screws tighter and tighter on the peasants.

TnAndy · #3 01/08/13, 06:52 PM

OK.....one of the legitimate functions of govt ( and there are only a few ) is to protect me from your actions. If your action harms me or mine, and you aren't willing to correct your actions, then, yes, maybe, there "outa be a law".

Wish I had some video or photos to show, but I'll try to describe our little valley. Many of the folks here burn wood. I do too. ( basically, our only source of heat ). When there is a temperature inversion ( often ), I almost can't see the mountains on the other side of the valley for the woodsmoke.

I bit the bullet, put in a new EPA approved stove.....84.9% efficient, 3.5gr/hr emission. Puts out almost NO visible smoke.

Most of my neighbors have older stoves ( Fisher, Batcave, that type ), that belch like an old steel factory. One guy has ( and is very proud of ) an old pot belly stove that streams smoke like crazy.

Should I have to breath their smoke ?

Just a yes or no will do.

terri9630 · #4 01/08/13, 06:55 PM

Your Neighbor reported that you might be burning some wood, do you mind if we take a look around?

Well I'm screwed. That is exactly what my neighbor would do. He called the sheriff out, not because I was speeding or being reckless, but because I was kicking up dust!

TnAndy · #5 01/08/13, 06:58 PM

Was the dust falling on his home ?

Sawmill Jim · #6 01/08/13, 07:01 PM

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Originally Posted by TnAndy

OK.....one of the legitimate functions of govt ( and there are only a few ) is to protect me from your actions. If your action harms me or mine, and you aren't willing to correct your actions, then, yes, maybe, there "outa be a law".

Wish I had some video or photos to show, but I'll try to describe our little valley. Many of the folks here burn wood. I do too. ( basically, our only source of heat ). When there is a temperature inversion ( often ), I almost can't see the mountains on the other side of the valley for the woodsmoke.

I bit the bullet, put in a new EPA approved stove.....84.9% efficient, 3.5gr/hr emission. Puts out almost NO visible smoke.

Most of my neighbors have older stoves ( Fisher, Batcave, that type ), that belch like an old steel factory. One guy has ( and is very proud of ) an old pot belly stove that streams smoke like crazy.

Should I have to breath their smoke ?

Just a yes or no will do.

No in most states it is still legal to hold ones breath

terri9630 · #7 01/08/13, 07:02 PM

No. It was in the road, which his house is several hundred feet from. Besides, even if it was were in the desert. The dust blows with the slightest wind. Yoj should have seen him during his first sand storm...

TNHermit · #8 01/08/13, 07:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TnAndy

OK.....one of the legitimate functions of govt ( and there are only a few ) is to protect me from your actions. If your action harms me or mine, and you aren't willing to correct your actions, then, yes, maybe, there "outa be a law".

Wish I had some video or photos to show, but I'll try to describe our little valley. Many of the folks here burn wood. I do too. ( basically, our only source of heat ). When there is a temperature inversion ( often ), I almost can't see the mountains on the other side of the valley for the woodsmoke.

I bit the bullet, put in a new EPA approved stove.....84.9% efficient, 3.5gr/hr emission. Puts out almost NO visible smoke.

Most of my neighbors have older stoves ( Fisher, Batcave, that type ), that belch like an old steel factory. One guy has ( and is very proud of ) an old pot belly stove that streams smoke like crazy.

Should I have to breath their smoke ?

Just a yes or no will do.

Just yes or no wont do.
You bought a stove Mandated by the EPA. More Govt
You could afford it evidently, Could your neighbors
Your using lib tactics here and surprises me a little
You didn't have a problem when you didn't have the EPA stove evidently

TnAndy · #9 01/08/13, 07:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Sawmill Jim

No in most states it is still legal to hold ones breath

So, if I move upwind of you, and light up a pile of old tires, your plan is to not breathe ?

TnAndy · #10 01/08/13, 07:11 PM

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Originally Posted by TNHermit

Just yes or no wont do.
You bought a stove Mandated by the EPA. More Govt
You could afford it evidently, Could your neighbors
Your using lib tactics here and surprises me a little
You didn't have a problem when you didn't have the EPA stove evidently

I don't know if my neighbors can or not ( the guy with the potbelly stove works for the Post Office at a pretty good rate )......do po folks get a pass ? Should we excuse them for driving drunk because they can't afford a cab ?

So, yes or no.....should you have to breath anything your neighbor throws in the air ? Just answer the question rather than confuse the issue.

And I DID have a problem with my previous stove.....tons of creosote that I no long have with the new stove. Uses less wood, requires less cleanout.....all around, a better appliance. I didn't buy a new one because I'm a tree hugger.

TNHermit · #11 01/08/13, 07:35 PM

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Originally Posted by TnAndy

I don't know if my neighbors can or not ( the guy with the potbelly stove works for the Post Office at a pretty good rate )......do po folks get a pass ? Should we excuse them for driving drunk because they can't afford a cab ?

So, yes or no.....should you have to breath anything your neighbor throws in the air ? Just answer the question rather than confuse the issue.

And I DID have a problem with my previous stove.....tons of creosote that I no long have with the new stove. Uses less wood, requires less cleanout.....all around, a better appliance. I didn't buy a new one because I'm a tree hugger.

Sorry as I said. there is no yes or no answer your using left wing techniques. Used to bait people for a lot of other things. I fmy neighbor has an old beater car and I have a new EPA volt do i have to breathe his exhaust as he drives by. Same thing. That is why the call it freedom and there is a lot of land for sale

were you the first there or was somebody else there first. In that case yes.

Sorry Dude but freedom first

YuccaFlatsRanch · #12 01/08/13, 07:53 PM

Go back to the city, leave the country alone. I hear California is a nice place for you, or maybe Colorado. Stay the heck out of Texas.

TnAndy · #13 01/08/13, 08:05 PM

There is no absolute freedom unless you're the last guy left. Any other freedom comes with responsibility to do no harm to other folks.

You keep calling it left wing techniques to simply avoid having to answer I think. That's a cop out to avoid a serious discussion of issues.

TnAndy · #14 01/08/13, 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by YuccaFlatsRanch

Go back to the city, leave the country alone.

Yes. Thank you. Always the answer is to 'go away'.

For the record, I've lived "in the country" for 40 years. Somehow, the city keeps moving closer. You got a platitude for that as well ?

bluetogreens · #15 01/08/13, 08:13 PM

LOL, I have this shiny new wizbang that you should buy, it made my life better- it can make yours better. What if I like the smell of smoke, the bulk of burning is on my property and I truly doubt that 3micrograins per unit of air is really noticeable to your lungs. we are not talking about tire fires, chemical spills, radioactive materials-we are talking about wood.
The comparison to tires etc. is laughable and amounts to nothing. Because you have sold yourself to the heart and core of the machine, the filth spewing from your "reasoning" is dead and I can only hope that you have some real awakening before its too late. I am actually still a cog in the machine and cannot wait retirement until I can voice my opinion as freely as those who spew forth such trash as your self. if only someone could start a fire to burn that trash.

bluetogreens · #16 01/08/13, 08:18 PM

And yes you should have to breathe their smoke, you live in an area where said "pollution" is common place. Should we have to remove all the sand from beaches because someone lives there and does not like sand in their carpet? Should we shut down the air ports because someone does not like the noise? should we have to build fences around all forest because someone does not like wild animals in their yard? I mean as long as we are using meaningless and reaching rational to justify our stupidity lets go all out. Lets ban cars because someone who buys a house in the city is effected by the noise pollution. or chop down all the nut trees in the world because 2 kids are allergic in the michigan suburbs.

Forerunner · #17 01/08/13, 08:18 PM

On a more, hopefully, diplomatic note......

A government big enough to fight your battles for you is big enough to eat you alive.

Today, your neighbor is the offending example dangling from the gallows.

Tomorrow, it will be you.

bluetogreens · #18 01/08/13, 08:20 PM

IF the new stoves are all that and a bag of chips, maybe the government should pay to replace them via a turn in program-with no name tracking. and make it optional instead of forced like int he case of CFL bulbs which are doing more damage than good. No my guess is some former EPA employee own or bought stock in a strove manufactor and is pushing this. I gurantee that would cost the tax payers less than Solyndra and the like did. and be more green.

TNHermit · #19 01/08/13, 08:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TnAndy

Yes. Thank you. Always the answer is to 'go away'.

For the record, I've lived "in the country" for 40 years. Somehow, the city keeps moving closer. You got a platitude for that as well ?

I think the more important question is what did they do to get you to cave

bluetogreens · #20 01/08/13, 08:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Forerunner

On a more, hopefully, diplomatic note......

A government big enough to fight your battles for you is big enough to eat you alive.

Today, your neighbor is the offending example dangling from the gallows.

Tomorrow, it will be you.

But what lines-do we defend abortion because its legal now? do we punish marijuana users cause its illegal now? one still has to have ideals to guide them in their fight. My neighbor can hang for some things that may be a crime to me even if we agree on others things, and that is the problem we face-too many corners to run to, too many divisions in our populace, and too many talking heads telling us what is best for us. I really wish we were not in the bind we are, but I see a very bleak very over regulated life ahead for America as its true hero's are dieing in waves and those left to fight do not know what they are fighting for.