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Old 02/10/12, 05:13 AM
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A study in the Journal of Clinical Psychiatry has concluded that distrust of the government is a treatable mental disorder. Known as "AGP" or "anti-government phobia," the study claims: "...that unfounded fear of government is a recognizable mental illness, closely related to paranoid schizophrenia. Anti-Government Phobia (AGP) differs from most mental illnesses, however, in that it is highly infectious and has an acute onset. Symptoms include extreme suspiciousness, conspiracy-mongering, delusional thought patterns, staunch 'us against them' mentality, withdrawal from reality, and often religious fanaticism..."
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Old 02/10/12, 05:56 AM
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Well, actually I would agree with all of that except for one thing. I don't think it is treatable.

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Yes, but where would you find "unfounded fear of government" these days?
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Sounds like they are laying the 'ground work' for the head em up move em out?

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So...
does "unfounded fear" mean they don't have to PROVE anything on you?
And "highly infectious"? They must be seeing a trend across the country!
"Religious fanatacism" probably means going to church!

Yep.... "thought crimes" will be one day be punishable with a lock-up for safety (yours and others').

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Yes, but where would you find "unfounded fear of government" these days?
Ya, "that' word . Just like all of the sneeky words they are putting in all their bills these days. so is it fair to say that the Gobberment is driveing me nuts?
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Yes, but where would you find "unfounded fear of government" these days?
This might be an example.

In my area, it is fairly easy to homeschool - notify the school district of your intent and test at the end of the year to get a score of at least 25%. However, I do know of several families who homeschool but do not notify.

I have homeschooled here for 9 years and have done all the paperwork as appropriate. Never had any problems. I know numerous other homeschooling families who notify. None of them have ever had any problems. I don't know of a single example in the last 10 years where anyone has had a problem.

However, I have met a few families who are very distrustful of the government who refuse to notify. They live miserable lives, keeping their children "hidden" from sight all the time, have very little social interaction with others. They are scared all the time. They are afraid that if they notify, they will get placed on some "list" and the government will come and take their children away.

I'm afraid that they are setting themselves up for a self-fulfilling prophesy. Because they are keeping their children truant, it is MORE likely that if the government "finds" their children that they will be in trouble. By keeping the kids indoors all day long with the curtains drawn and allowing no outside contact, it is MORE likely that some psychologist will determine that they are not fit parents.

The bottom line is that I know I am on some list or lists. I live on a small farm. I often pay with cash. I buy in bulk. We have guns. We hunt. I visit this website. So it makes no sense to me to fear the government to the extent that it lessens the quality of my daughter's childhood, just to avoid getting placed on the list of homeschoolers in my county. Especially when there have been absolutely no problems.

I only found out about these shadow homeschoolers when I wanted to get rid of some curriculum we no longer needed. These women crept out of the shadows to get it, since they won't even publicly order or buy homeschooling materials. So sad... To me, this is a case of unfounded fear of the government and I hate to see how it is hurting those kids.
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I have never heard of an infectious mental disorder?

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Sounds like they are laying the 'ground work' for the head em up move em out?
I think this qualifies as a symptom.

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I have never heard of an infectious mental disorder?
This! That is exactly what I thought when I read the caption. I am no mental health professional but I do enjoy sociology and I've never read about an infectious mental health disorder. In fact, I do believe it's impossible.

Another thing I'd like to bring up is blind patriotism. The thought that your nation (whether it's here in the US or one over seas) is only good and righteous; I think that falls under a mental health disorder as well. There has never been a man (excepting Jesus of course) let alone a group of men that have been completely perfect. For the Christians among us I would suggest it falls under worshiping false idols at the very least.

I mention this because I think these people may well be promoting mental disorder... Of course reading the entire article I'm forced to chuckle and laugh as it seems to be tongue in cheek mostly.
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I would suggest that this sort of trial ballon humor is leading to something....you may laugh at it all you want untill its to late other shoose to see warning signs where they exist....I am sure the german jews werent worried alot about the subtle intial restrictions on buisness till they were being loaded into cattle cars.....

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This! That is exactly what I thought when I read the caption. I am no mental health professional but I do enjoy sociology and I've never read about an infectious mental health disorder. In fact, I do believe it's impossible.

Another thing I'd like to bring up is blind patriotism. The thought that your nation (whether it's here in the US or one over seas) is only good and righteous; I think that falls under a mental health disorder as well. There has never been a man (excepting Jesus of course) let alone a group of men that have been completely perfect. For the Christians among us I would suggest it falls under worshiping false idols at the very least.

I mention this because I think these people may well be promoting mental disorder... Of course reading the entire article I'm forced to chuckle and laugh as it seems to be tongue in cheek mostly.

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Another thing I'd like to bring up is blind patriotism. The thought that your nation (whether it's here in the US or one over seas) is only good and righteous; I think that falls under a mental health disorder as well. There has never been a man (excepting Jesus of course) let alone a group of men that have been completely perfect. For the Christians among us I would suggest it falls under worshiping false idols at the very least.

I mention this because I think these people may well be promoting mental disorder... Of course reading the entire article I'm forced to chuckle and laugh as it seems to be tongue in cheek mostly.
I find the quoted parts above really disturbing deep down in my blindly Patriotic heart.
When I grew up we believed in this country, and were proud of it. As I've seen in the last few years, and even the last couple of years on this forum for a slice of life - there are more people here that try to make America and Americans out to be the bad guys.

This put down of America is really in my estimation a rot at the roots of what has in the past made America the land that many will attempt anything to get to and to become an American; but by not having a national pride and putting down our own nation - that appears to be the quick sand we are sinking in.

So, while you think blind Patriotism is a mental illness, I'll consider all that claim to be American but tear America down as having a mental illness of their own.

Yes, we are having a lot of troubles - I think a lot of them are trying to be incorporated into many of the European ways of thinking, and recently an attempt by many to incorporate more Middle Eastern ways of thinking.

To me; those that want to take from the earning people and give to the lazy ones that care not to work as they will be taken care of by the "........ist" government stealing and overstepping their bounds - is not America but I sure see some claiming to be American advocating that stealing and redistribution.

I am one of those that think the Consitution and appropriately ratified amendments mean something special -

And I'm not blind to some of the things in the world that has been done to/for other countries by our elected people (or whomever is in the background). But, the news enjoys and promotes this world view by reporting on all the bad, bloody crap they can find, and almost never on the military building and helping to teach the countries we are in.

So - thank you very much for considering me and many others that have "BLIND PATRIOTISM" for having a mental illness. I'll claim it proudly.
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And one other things while I'm on a roll.

America is the people. The teachers, doctors, dance instructors, the military, the cops, the homeless man on the corner. All of us are AMERICA, not just the ones that are fussed about here.

There are so many good people, that we need to remember that. These are the ones we most often do not hear about. These are the ones that dug in through earlier wars and kept the nation going; these are the ones that can do it again if their outlook was promoted.

Yep, we have a lot to worry about these days. A lot of current events in the government realm that have high impact on all of us.

But, if the "blindly Patroitic" Americans got together and worked together we could get back that pride and feeling of greatness of heart and soul that we once had.

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I find the quoted parts above really disturbing deep down in my blindly Patriotic heart.
When I grew up we believed in this country, and were proud of it. As I've seen in the last few years, and even the last couple of years on this forum for a slice of life - there are more people here that try to make America and Americans out to be the bad guys.

This put down of America is really in my estimation a rot at the roots of what has in the past made America the land that many will attempt anything to get to and to become an American; but by not having a national pride and putting down our own nation - that appears to be the quick sand we are sinking in.

So, while you think blind Patriotism is a mental illness, I'll consider all that claim to be American but tear America down as having a mental illness of their own.

Yes, we are having a lot of troubles - I think a lot of them are trying to be incorporated into many of the European ways of thinking, and recently an attempt by many to incorporate more Middle Eastern ways of thinking.

To me; those that want to take from the earning people and give to the lazy ones that care not to work as they will be taken care of by the "........ist" government stealing and overstepping their bounds - is not America but I sure see some claiming to be American advocating that stealing and redistribution.

I am one of those that think the Consitution and appropriately ratified amendments mean something special -

And I'm not blind to some of the things in the world that has been done to/for other countries by our elected people (or whomever is in the background). But, the news enjoys and promotes this world view by reporting on all the bad, bloody crap they can find, and almost never on the military building and helping to teach the countries we are in.

So - thank you very much for considering me and many others that have "BLIND PATRIOTISM" for having a mental illness. I'll claim it proudly.
I do believe you think I've said something I have not. I certainly don't think you count as a blind patriot, though that maybe so. I've seen you speak out against many things the government does which to me exempts you from what I'm talking about.

Blind patriots are those that believe the government can do no wrong or that think the government has your best interests at heart at all times. These are (generally) the people that like more laws, more rules, or even if they disagree with a law consider it sacred because it's the law. They are also the people that think we always act out of compassion for other nations or peoples. That all of our deeds in this nation and on the global stage have everyone best interests at heart, even if not everyone agrees. There aren't many of those people here on HT, but there are a few.

That I am willing to point out (and I would remind you that you have as well, as have most posters in CE, GC, Politics, and S&EP) the things our government has done wrong doesn't mean I think the government is evil or bad. I don't tend to think in absolutes or all or nothing. I'm just willing to accept the fact that sometimes (and more often as of late) our government is willing to cross the line from our best interests to it's own self interests, at the expense of our rights.

If however you feel that my being willing to acknowledge that is somehow wrong, then so be it. If you feel that my thinking people that are not willing to acknowledge that are at least naive, likely illogical, and in the extreme mentally ill is somehow unpatriotic... I guess I'll have to accept that as well.
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And one other things while I'm on a roll.

America is the people. The teachers, doctors, dance instructors, the military, the cops, the homeless man on the corner. All of us are AMERICA, not just the ones that are fussed about here.

There are so many good people, that we need to remember that. These are the ones we most often do not hear about. These are the ones that dug in through earlier wars and kept the nation going; these are the ones that can do it again if their outlook was promoted.

Yep, we have a lot to worry about these days. A lot of current events in the government realm that have high impact on all of us.

But, if the "blindly Patroitic" Americans got together and worked together we could get back that pride and feeling of greatness of heart and soul that we once had.
See my post above. I do believe we have different definitions of blindly patriotic.

ETA: I should also point out that you can't separate the people from the state in a republic or democracy. What we allow our government to get away with IS a direct reflection on we the people. We voted for these people, we let them do the things they do, and we often vote for them again and again. Regardless of if you like what the government does or not, if you allow it to continue doing those things you are supporting them implicitly. So while I agree there is a disconnect between the government and the people, it doesn't absolve us when the government does something we don't like, unless we remove those people and undue whatever law they've enacted.

It's not unlike minor children. What our children do when out in the world is a direct reflection on us, and we are held directly responsible for their actions.
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We must have a different definition, but I have seen the tearing into America in other threads and other posters that react also.

And I have agreed that there are problems -
But you have what I believe, and we have what you believe, and as you post more, what I believe becomes further away from what you state here to endorse and believe.

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We must have a different definition, but I have seen the tearing into America in other threads and other posters that react also.

And I have agreed that there are problems -
But you have what I believe, and we have what you believe, and as you post more, what I believe becomes further away from what you state here to endorse and believe.
I had to read that twice to make sure I understood it correctly. I think what you mean is, you believe I'm being to hard on America and the government in general?
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I had to read that twice to make sure I understood it correctly. I think what you mean is, you believe I'm being to hard on America and the government in general?
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No, I think she thinks you are a covert marxist.
I doubt she thinks that. I'm clearly more capitalist than many of our right wing members here. I support a vibrant black market for example, as I believe it's pure capitalism. I believe dollar hegemony is capitalist on the global scale. We have a product (the dollar) and we use it to fill a need. In my mind the problem isn't that there is hegemony, but that we're abusing it.

Think of it like Netflix. When Netflix raised it's prices (because they believed they had the market cornered) the customers revolted. Same thing here.

That I will openly admit there are flaws in the capitalist system doesn't make me a Marxist either. There are going to be pros and cons to any system, like anything else really, and you have to choose that which best suits your needs.

In this case I'll use a gun as an example. We see a lot of threads on here about which gun is best if you can only have one. There are invariably many people that say there is no one gun that can do all things. The best bet is to buy a gun that fits the scenario you will most likely use it in. This is capitalism to us. It is far and away the most versatile system created so far, more so as we in the US have a hybrid system in reality.

So, not a Marxist and I don't hate America. I'm just willing to admit that there are flaws in both, and that we could and should be willing to accept those flaws and work on fixing them.
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No worries, I do the same thing. I'm usually here and six other places at the same times as well.
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i find the quoted parts above really disturbing deep down in my blindly patriotic heart.
When i grew up we believed in this country, and were proud of it. As i've seen in the last few years, and even the last couple of years on this forum for a slice of life - there are more people here that try to make america and americans out to be the bad guys.

This put down of america is really in my estimation a rot at the roots of what has in the past made america the land that many will attempt anything to get to and to become an american; but by not having a national pride and putting down our own nation - that appears to be the quick sand we are sinking in.

So, while you think blind patriotism is a mental illness, i'll consider all that claim to be american but tear america down as having a mental illness of their own.

Yes, we are having a lot of troubles - i think a lot of them are trying to be incorporated into many of the european ways of thinking, and recently an attempt by many to incorporate more middle eastern ways of thinking.

To me; those that want to take from the earning people and give to the lazy ones that care not to work as they will be taken care of by the "........ist" government stealing and overstepping their bounds - is not america but i sure see some claiming to be american advocating that stealing and redistribution.

I am one of those that think the consitution and appropriately ratified amendments mean something special -

and i'm not blind to some of the things in the world that has been done to/for other countries by our elected people (or whomever is in the background). But, the news enjoys and promotes this world view by reporting on all the bad, bloody crap they can find, and almost never on the military building and helping to teach the countries we are in.

So - thank you very much for considering me and many others that have "blind patriotism" for having a mental illness. I'll claim it proudly.
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There is a difference between being patriotic and being "Blindly Patriotic".

I served my country in some horrible situations and I believed in the things I did. If helping to free an oppressed people is the goal, let's roll.

On the other hand I don't support plundering missions of the military just to protect the dollar and the flow of oil, where my fellow brothers and sisters lose their lives just so Mrs. Soccer Mom can afford to drive her big SUV.

I am a patriot, but not blindly so. My fellow veterans and currently serving brothers mostly agree with what I've said, and the ones in the military who refuse to see this issue are probably the ones coming for you in the middle of the night.

The Constitution is what I'm sworn to uphold... Not a political party or political representative hell bent on destroying that precious document. Anytime you complain about something your government is doing, that means you are no longer blindly following. Being a patriot and believing in America the way it used to be or the way it was designed is not a mental illness. Siting back and watching the destruction of the republic and believing that the .gov ALWAYS has your best interest at heart IS a mental illness and is called being passive, not patriotic.

Being a patriot and being suspicious of the Government is the way it was designed... Can anyone tell me who said ""When governments fear the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny."... Here's a clue, it was one of early America's biggest patriots... The fact that we are a nation tell us he didn't follow along blindly.

Invalid as a Marxist, I don't think so... And people who "blindly" follow are the ones who cry for help the loudest when they are finally taken out too.

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If an infectious mental disorder is impossible then what do you think mass hysteria is?

Mass hysteria is defined as a socially contagious frenzy of irrational behaviour in a group of people as a reaction to an event or belief - such condition characterized by excitement or anxiety, irrational behaviour or beliefs, or inexplicable symptoms of mental and/or physical illness.

Personally I think that "anti-government phobia" is a form of mass hysteria - an infectious mental disorder.

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I doubt she thinks that. I'm clearly more capitalist than many of our right wing members here. I support a vibrant black market for example, as I believe it's pure capitalism. I believe dollar hegemony is capitalist on the global scale. We have a product (the dollar) and we use it to fill a need. In my mind the problem isn't that there is hegemony, but that we're abusing it.

Think of it like Netflix. When Netflix raised it's prices (because they believed they had the market cornered) the customers revolted. Same thing here.

That I will openly admit there are flaws in the capitalist system doesn't make me a Marxist either. There are going to be pros and cons to any system, like anything else really, and you have to choose that which best suits your needs.

In this case I'll use a gun as an example. We see a lot of threads on here about which gun is best if you can only have one. There are invariably many people that say there is no one gun that can do all things. The best bet is to buy a gun that fits the scenario you will most likely use it in. This is capitalism to us. It is far and away the most versatile system created so far, more so as we in the US have a hybrid system in reality.

So, not a Marxist and I don't hate America. I'm just willing to admit that there are flaws in both, and that we could and should be willing to accept those flaws and work on fixing them.
I can find no other explanation why your post would be disturbing.

Taken at face value, it should not have been offensive.

There is a distict difference between the country that was founded by patriots, and the country we have now. The country we have now, is removed from the constitution. We have programs of welfare, entitlement, and safety that reduce our liberty. The country has clearly moved towards socialism. Being a patriot, I would think, would give a person the desire to move back to the original intent of the original patriots. Being a blind patriot, requires beleiving the country is the same now as it was then.

Personally, I would like to see the country return to it's original patriot roots. If those of us that critisize the current government are seen and labeled as liberals(it never ceases to amaze me how often I am called a liberal on this site, though I am a rather strict constitutionalist and libertarian), we will never get the constitution back.

I suppose by saying the country is not what it once was, and critizing, those that are a bit touchy could find offense. It seems the proper way to approach these subjects, is not to critisize the government, but to pick a side and attack the other side. If you use the words blind patriot, you have attacked a side, whether that was your intent or not. This automatically puts you on the 'other' side. The far left side.
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Old 02/10/12, 05:14 PM
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If an infectious mental disorder is impossible then what do you think mass hysteria is?

Mass hysteria is defined as a socially contagious frenzy of irrational behaviour in a group of people as a reaction to an event or belief - such condition characterized by excitement or anxiety, irrational behaviour or beliefs, or inexplicable symptoms of mental and/or physical illness.

Personally I think that "anti-government phobia" is a form of mass hysteria - an infectious mental disorder.
Oh, that's not bad. I hadn't thought of mass hysteria. I'm not sure if it quite qualifies as an infectious disease, but it is pretty close.
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