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Old 11/17/12, 11:21 PM
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New scenario?

A while back someone posted a hypothetical shtf scenario as kind of a food for thpught exercise. I think it had to do with nuclear reactor meltdown. Anyway, it was a good post and i think we need more "what would you do if..." scenarios.

Because of that thread I became motivated to find out where the closest reactors are and know where to go to get information on them. I researched the prevailing wind patterns and also now know where to go to find wind speed information.

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Old 11/18/12, 12:20 AM
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I think they mentioned something about this on "doomsday preppers" today.
Most of the show was about tornadic evnts, and being diabetic.
Thats one thing I never thought about, How does one prep for a supply of insulin?

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My kids and I like to do the what ifs. Ours are if there is a massive forrest fire. We had a small fire start down the road this year with it being so dry. Was a great test. I gave the kids 15 minutes to get ready and be in the car. Get what you can't live without get to the car. I have a fire safe with all important papers.
Another senerio we have due To living by a military base. A chemical mishap strikes and we are quarantined to our houses. We have 30 min to secure. Animal and human. Or leave.

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I'm thinking another most likely senerio will be employment is lost. Now you have to make your bills and make ends meet.

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Angie I think you should start a senerio of the week thread. What is everyone else's opinion.

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My kids and I like to do the what ifs. Ours are if there is a massive forrest fire. We had a small fire start down the road this year with it being so dry. Was a great test. I gave the kids 15 minutes to get ready and be in the car. Get what you can't live without get to the car. I have a fire safe with all important papers.
Another senerio we have due To living by a military base. A chemical mishap strikes and we are quarantined to our houses. We have 30 min to secure. Animal and human. Or leave.
MH, have your local VFD or DNR come in and do a FireWise assessment. They will make reccomendations on how to make your place more fireproof or at least defendable. It's also free and you have a chance to meet the folks on the ground who defend the community if fire rears its ugly head.
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I know our local Dnr. We are surrounded by national Forrest military base and family land most I it wooded but we do have lost of marshes. We will fair pretty well. We keep the dry stuff burned or picked up. We have a good plan.

Oh and I know our local vfd. When they hear my road they run faster. My dh was a local vff. He headed up the mfr's that's why when I needed them this last July they made it in record time.

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Old 11/18/12, 12:39 PM
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I think they mentioned something about this on "doomsday preppers" today.
Most of the show was about tornadic evnts, and being diabetic.
Thats one thing I never thought about, How does one prep for a supply of insulin?
You buy a small propane fridge. I did some research and a 20 gallon propane tank is supposed to last 3 weeks.
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You buy a small propane fridge. I did some research and a 20 gallon propane tank is supposed to last 3 weeks.
then what do you do when you run out of insulin?
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Old 11/18/12, 03:46 PM
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Most of the show was about tornadic evnts, and being diabetic. Thats one thing I never thought about, How does one prep for a supply of insulin?
If you haven't considered what an EOTWAWKI event would be like for a diabetic you haven't read One Second After yet. Definitely in my TOP 5 of PAW fiction books, I strongly recommend reading it.
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Old 11/18/12, 03:58 PM
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I think they mentioned something about this on "doomsday preppers" today.
Most of the show was about tornadic evnts, and being diabetic.
Thats one thing I never thought about, How does one prep for a supply of insulin?
There are now shelf-stable forms of insulin. I don't know much about them... I just saw a commercial on tv. For a Type 1 diabetic (person born with the disease) They would have to have enough insulin to get them through the duration of the event. Some things could be done with diet to help them to last longer though.

For Type 2 diabetics, the prepping should begin now. Many people have this form of diabetes due to dietary choices that they've made. Every effort should be made now to improve health in order to become less reliant on insulin. For some people it might mean losing weight, exercising or just making better food choices. Many people like this are on medications like glucophage or glypizide rather than insulin shots. Glucophage can be stored easily.

For those of us without diabetes, we should be getting regular checkups to make sure that we don't have pre-diabetes, a condition that can lead to full-blown diabetes.

Post shtf, most Type 2 diabetics will have lost weight due to increased work/activity and might not need to use as much insulin or other sugar-regulating drugs. If their new diet includes fewer processed foods, then they will likely have a lessened need for them as well since their diet won't contain as many chemicals and other bad things.

From a holistic/natural standpoint, there is a plant called bitter melon that is a Chinese medicinal. It grew rather easily in my garden a couple of years ago. Someone that used to post here a lot (Christy ACB) tested the results with a blood glucose monitor and said that it did work.
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then what do you do when you run out of insulin?
I think that medicinal insulin comes from sheep. I'm not sure where I heard that though...
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I vote for Angie to give us a weekly scenario. Yea! You are so cool, Angie! :-)

I read in one of my herbal books that the bark of crape myrtle trees/bushes can be used to treat diabetes. It might be worth investigating.

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I vote for Angie to give us a weekly scenario. Yea! You are so cool, Angie! :-)

I read in one of my herbal books that the bark of crape myrtle trees/bushes can be used to treat diabetes. It might be worth investigating.

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Poor Angie, thats a huge request to make of one person who already gives us so much.. Why dont you start the first one, and every week or two, depending on the replies, another member can come up with something different.

Martianchick, I think you may be right about the sheep, I was thinking pigs, but that might be thyroid...and you have to grind up the organ. I do believe in a long term scenario a type one diabetic would die.
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Let's start a new scenario every monday? Prairiebelle22 you start first.

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About Insulin | International Diabetes Federation
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What "IF" a frog had wings, then it would not bump it's butt every time it hopped.

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....... and i think we need more "what would you do if..." scenarios.

Let's do some more!

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Poor Angie, thats a huge request to make of one person who already gives us so much.. Why dont you start the first one, .....
I'm with beaglebiz on this. I don't think you should be asking Angie to do the thinking for making up new scenarios each week when Angie already does so much. Anyone can start a new thread, so if you want new scenarios threads why not start it yourself?

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Let's start a new scenario every monday? Prairiebelle22 you start first.
Naturelover I restated. I took back my Angie give me proposition and put it back on us as a group. See I quote me above! Must say never thought I would quote myself. Any who.
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Old 11/18/12, 08:23 PM
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Ok. Fair is fair. My bright idea so I will take the first round . But you sure didn't give me much time to think it through.
You gotta cut me a break because I'm relatively new to all out prepping.

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Would you like me to set a scenario for you?

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If you haven't considered what an EOTWAWKI event would be like for a diabetic you haven't read One Second After yet. Definitely in my TOP 5 of PAW fiction books, I strongly recommend reading it.
The folks on "Doomsday preppers" were the ones who were diebetic. Two of them had a 6 months supply of insulin, and their diet reflected the situation.
They stated they would re-use their needles if need be, but once their supply ws gone,, they would probably die.
That just made me think about my Mom and the meds she has to have.
She spends as much as 300. too 400. a month on meds. Once you are on those drugs,, your body can't function with out them I believe.
I was supposed to also take those same meds after my 2nd hrt attck 5 yrs ago and chose not to.
It just made me think,,, thats all.
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Old 11/19/12, 08:31 AM
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Scenario: thanks Naturelover, but I have one ready now. Why don't you take week 2?

Medications: When I was diagnosed with asthma I became very aware that i was becoming more and more dependent on synthetic meds and that in an EOTW event these meds would become unavailable. Then what? Be sick and die? I decided to take control of my health situation, get educated, and pursue good health. I am actively researching herbal remedies especially ones available in my local landscape. In an EOTW situation, that may be all I have access to.

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There is no commercially-available shelf-stable insulin. My sister is diabetic, we have researched this issue relating to her. She is type 1, insulin dependent. In SHTF all type 2 diabetics would either die or self-correct rather quickly due to lack of food availability and exponential increase in exercise.

Most commercial insulin in the US is made in laboratories from cloned human ecoli bacteria. Has been since the 70s. Is called Humulin.

We have been researching methods to produce insulin from cows, pigs or salmon. People did this in WWII when commercial insulin was not available, generally from pigs. Pigs are closest to humans in their amino acid production, so pigs were most commonly used. The "recipe" to make insulin is here, note it calls for centrifuging and other scientific laboratory instruments, though people have made crude insulin outside laboratories; however, the incidence of side effects and negative reactions to impurities is greatly increased.

I would want to keep my sister alive, but the effort required to distill insulin for only one person would take a disproportionally huge % of resources.

She is stockpiling as much as she can (4-5 months, and she rotates), we have a propane cooler and tanks, and her plan is to immediately switch to high-fat, high-protein very low-carb diet in an emergency, if that type of diet change is possible.

Bigger issue for her is testing her blood sugar levels. She can "feel" differences as to whether she is high or low, but truly staying healthy requires precise measurements that aren't especially practical in an emergency. We have stockpiled blood testing meters and strips, they stay good for a long time. Also urine strips and syringes. Syringes can be sharpened for re-use - not ideal, but emergency conditions are not ideal.

But once those things run out, she would most likely die. She takes care of herself well now, but didn't for 20-ish years, so she's not exactly the picture of health.

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The Flexpen was the product that I was thinking of... I've seen a few commercials about it. It seems that the pens must be kept cool before they are opened. Once opened, they last for 28 days without refrigeration.

http://www.sharecare.com/question/ho...ovolog-flexpen

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I know. It's true. It's actually a real conundrum if I don't want to scare Belle away. The first 2 or 3 scenarios I thought of were hopeless, despairing, I don't think many people (if any) could survive them even with lots of preparation and those scenarios are all very distinct possibilities that could happen naturally any time anywhere. So I'm trying to think of a gentler easy peasy scenario that would be easier to prepare for and won't scare away Belle and other newbies.

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thanks for group doing the new threads. You have many more ideas than I may have for some of these scenes.

I'll be watching and chiming in when I have something to add.

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I know. It's true. It's actually a real conundrum if I don't want to scare Belle away. The first 2 or 3 scenarios I thought of were hopeless, despairing, I don't think many people (if any) could survive them even with lots of preparation and those scenarios are all very distinct possibilities that could happen naturally any time anywhere. So I'm trying to think of a gentler easy peasy scenario that would be easier to prepare for and won't scare away Belle and other newbies.

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that would be good, easier to harder. Not jumping in with both feet at one time!
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The most common SHTF scenario for most of us is a power outage. That can happen due to an act of God, or a system failure. The reserve capacity of the gird will drop as they close coal fired power plants. It will be at least two years before the capacity begins to approach past levels providing the existing plants are replaced by natural gas fired combustion turbines. That will also increase the possibility of a terrorist act taking down the grid for much longer than a month or two. The EPA is inadvertently forcing utilities go to a fuel supply that is more easily disrupted by terrorists. There's a possibility, albeit small, that some parts of the Northeast gird could be taken out for as long as a year. Those that live in an area near a nuclear power plant will get electricity back the soonest since those plants have black start capability. Most plants need grid power to begin startup. A nuke does not.

Most of us can handle a week or two. What about a month or longer? Utilities no longer employ as many linemen as they did years ago. Instead they utilize agreements with other utilities to borrow linemen or hire outside contractors. That's why you see the out of state bucket trucks after a storm affects a large area.

To complicate the situation consider a month without power in the winter.

The aftermath of Sandy in portions of NJ and NY pointed out the difficulties of getting gasoline. Even a gasoline generator may not suffice for a month.

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