Tightwad survival tip....grapes

elkhound · #1 04/02/12, 07:31 AM

found this video and have never seen or even heard of doing grapes like this.all i ever heard of was layering a vines down in dirt on a living vine and then geting it off after it takes root. i am so never going to buy grape vines again.save money and expand the homestead for free.

elkhound · #2 04/02/12, 07:37 AM

thought i would add this one on pruning from the university of nebraska

Forerunner · #3 04/02/12, 07:40 AM

Dude...... been doing this for years.

It's even easier than he lets on.

When pruning my grapes, I cut up the better vines to leave three buds on each cutting. Then I stick those cuttings in pretty rich dirt, lightly shaded for the first year, two buds under ground and one above. Keep them well watered the first year and expect at least a 25% survival rate.

Now if I could only do this with my apple trees.

Trixters_muse · #4 04/02/12, 07:45 AM

I have never seen this method either, thanks for posting!

I am fortunate to have vines from my Grandfather's Scuppernongs, his vines have been growing since the 40's. This is my fourth year, had my first harvest last year and was thinking about rooting some to expand and grow along a back fence. I think I will try this method, but I wonder if I need to wait til December like he says to do in the video, maybe it would work now?

Trixters_muse · #5 04/02/12, 07:49 AM

Thanks for your video elkhound, uummm... I am NOT pruning my grapes properly, lol.

elkhound · #6 04/02/12, 08:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Forerunner

Dude...... been doing this for years.

It's even easier than he lets on.

When pruning my grapes, I cut up the better vines to leave three buds on each cutting. Then I stick those cuttings in pretty rich dirt, lightly shaded for the first year, two buds under ground and one above. Keep them well watered the first year and expect at least a 25% survival rate.

Now if I could only do this with my apple trees.

i live a sheltered life it seems...ROFLMAO....now if i can get you to clip me a few section of each of your grape vines and label variety this fall my little homestead will leap forward by great bounds.....lol

and i would love to grow grandaddys trixters muses muscandine too....roflmao.

Texasdirtdigger · #7 04/02/12, 08:14 AM

I found this out.....by accident, some years ago.
However, this works like crazy!

elkhound · #8 04/02/12, 08:17 AM

trixters muse...i would try layering method....take a piece of tin foil and fill it with dirt and wrap it around a bud and keep it watered...probably add soem root hormone too.if i wanted to try something right now that is. for me i think i will do the fall time thing to cut back on weekly watering chores.

Forerunner · #9 04/02/12, 08:17 AM

This fall, for those interested, I'll just make a point to save and send cuttings.

I have concords and some old, red grape variety from my Grandpop's vineyard of long, long ago.......

elkhound · #10 04/02/12, 08:22 AM

trixters muse for you

jwal10 · #11 04/02/12, 08:32 AM

Works for roses too. I also put an old mason jar over them....James

Trixters_muse · #12 04/02/12, 08:51 AM

Thank you Elkhound for the great advice and new video

Once I get some vines rooted I would be happy to share with anyone who wants to try them, you and Forerunner get first dibs

planzman · #13 04/02/12, 10:10 AM

is part of a major experiment in my home vineyard.
I started with ordering cutting from various USDA centers (Geneva, NY and Davis, CA), they mail you dormant cuttings per your order for FREE.

This is the online catalog.

Plant Genetic Resources : Apple, Grape and Cherry Catalogs

Some varieties are very resistant to rooting via the cutting method (all muscadines and some grapes), it is best to try different methods to achieve success (layering is one of the best).

I had about 75 different varieties and over the years have had many die offs for many reason (disease, or unsuitability for my area) and have narrowed it down to about 5 varieties that are still alive after 10 years with two being real good for my climate. Going to be a good year! I have reduced the size of the vineyard to about 800 feet (4 rows) and with the spacing for the varieties that I have, I can maintain about 96 plants, so I have some open spots for some future plantings still leaves me about 80 vines. I have some cuttings still in the fridge to start for this year which will replace a variety that I lost.

the source for most modern grape growing comes from this man
Thomas Volney Munson - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

and his book can be read online

Core Historical Literature of Agriculture

for fruit and nut trees grafting is the most preferred method on your locally grown seedlings.

Pouncer · #14 04/02/12, 03:00 PM

If anyone ever comes across a variety/strain that might survive Zone 3, please let me know.

Yes, I know, wishful thinking

planzman · #15 04/02/12, 03:18 PM

There are several, however, according to Munsons book, in Minn they where taking them down and mulching them through the winter.

Minn Growers association

http://mngrapegrowers.com/

minn varieties

http://mngrapegrowers.com/varieties

This guy is a major source for grape info and he sells plants and cuttings
http://www.bunchgrapes.com/

Jan in CO · #16 04/02/12, 10:20 PM

Thanks for the info. Now to find some rootstock!

planzman · #17 04/03/12, 05:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Jan in CO

Thanks for the info. Now to find some rootstock!

Most grapes do well on their own roots.

However, you may consider "dog ridge" one of the best, you wil need to learn grafting. It is a munson vareity and used a lot in france since it is pest resistant.

But, grapes don't like high altitudes.

Ciao

bee · #18 04/03/12, 08:56 AM

What I want to know is how someone who grows,harvests and preserves as much as Elkhound does has the TIME to hunt out all these wonderful videos????

Regardless how you do it, thanks Elkhound! bee

Pouncer · #19 04/03/12, 09:48 AM

Thank you so much for the links.

I see there are a couple varieties that might winter over up here, but I don't know anyone who has done it (yet). Since I know nothing about grapes (other than to enjoy the fruits in various forms) I thank you also for the videos. Interesting!

elkhound · #20 04/03/12, 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by bee

What I want to know is how someone who grows,harvests and preserves as much as Elkhound does has the TIME to hunt out all these wonderful videos????

Regardless how you do it, thanks Elkhound! bee

dear bee....i am a full time homesteader.my homestead provides a huge part of my daily needs along with other lands i ahve acces to or can use.i am money poor right now but got plenty of time and other resources...land,trees,water,etc etc. so i am doing everything i can to expand what i got going on.i can do this by free learning like on youtube.i ahve tons of books also and try to talk with people but they are far and few between to do this with as alot of what old timers knew has been lost with them.lets call it lost knowledge...like these video showing how to do things for about free.

i.e. if i take a popbottle and do a single air propagation on every sigle fruit tree i ahve then by end of summer i ahve jsut doubled my fruit tree holdings for about no money. you can bet i will also be sticking alot of grapevine clippings in the ground come fall time too.

doinf stuff about free heres a example..grape arbor...posts=free from my land...one tree that was to close to road...wire..left over but i figure cost up at $3.75,$1.50 for 2 eyebolts to connect starpping material too for support..strapping material and earth anchors...free..left here when i bought place.$2 worth mortor mix and not sure what the wire tightners and tension springs cost now ..lets say $10..so arbor is not very expensive overall..less than $20 for sure.

heres what it looks like...redneck engineering at its best.

p.s. if i wasnt so lazy i could get more done....but what ya expect from a woodsbum...lol

Tightwad survival tip....grapes - Survival & Emergency Preparedness

Tightwad survival tip....grapes - Survival & Emergency Preparedness