Agriculture Tax Exempt

Pam6 · #1 08/27/11, 10:48 AM

Someone told me that if you get the Agriculture Tax Exempt on your property that it puts you on a 'list' and if the govt comes into an area to occupy that the agriculture tax exempt gives them every right to come onto your farm and take everything they want. Your pigs, your crops, your canned goods, etc to feed the troops. Is this true?
IF this is true what is to stop the troops from coming onto a neighboring property that is NOT agriculture tax exempt if they see chickens, goats, and gardens and such? Because if they are troops I can guarantee that their guns will be bigger than mine.
My DH just thinks I hang out with to many conspiracy theorists

and that it is not true. Anyone know the truth on this?

Ernie · #2 08/27/11, 10:56 AM

You're already on the list, Pam. It will put you on a different list though and let me ask you this question ... later on when people are hungry and the county bureaucrats go through the rolls and see your name there as having received years of less taxes for participating in agriculture, don't you think they're going to be more likely to come to you and say, "In return for not paying your fair share all these years ... we demand that you turn over your complete harvest this year to feed the rest of the poor blighted souls in this county."

While on one hand I can understand your desire to decrease your tax burden, my experience in doing this was entirely unsatisfactory. I let too much government into my life as it was and in the end they wouldn't give me the exemption anyway.

Pam6 · #3 08/27/11, 11:10 AM

My neighbor is agriculture tax exempt. He has 90 acres. I have less than 2 acres. I don't even think becoming agriculture tax exempt is an option for me. But on his 90 acres he grows soybeans and hay. I don't think that will be as appealing as my chickens, goats milk, and garden produce to hungry troops.
My DH says OUR gov't would NEVER come in and just take over the neighbors property 'just because' he is tax exempt in a SHTF time. I say they WILL and that if they see our stuff they have bigger guns and could very possibly decide that my stuff looks better.

mpillow · #4 08/27/11, 11:19 AM

For us its a 5 acre min. to be AG exempt but...not for us for reasons Ernie mentioned...I also do not claim any farm tax(losses) with IRS...

Ernie · #5 08/27/11, 11:24 AM

If the government shows up to take your chickens, goats, etc. then you'd probably better just wave the flag and tell them you're glad to do your part. Meanwhile, hope they don't discover the hidden compartment where you're storing canned food and ammo.

And then when they move on out into the next county for their confiscations you can join several other patriots in a hidden ambush and open up on them from the treeline.

That's my survival strategy at this point: look like a good citizen and then behind the scenes, do what you need to do to survive.

I wouldn't worry about being on a list at this point. You're already on a list. While they're going down the list and driving to your neighbor's place to collect his soybeans and such, they're not going to be adverse to stopping at your place and collecting a little extra, whether or not you were on the list.

Your husband sounds like a good guy who just hasn't quite realized yet that the government is the world's largest predator and people like us are their chosen prey.

Call up the county and ask them what the requirements are for getting an agricultural exemption and then find out how much it will be. If it saves you a big chunk of money that you could then put aside for other survival-related things then it might be worthwhile to do.

Personally though, I think if you involve them in your life then you're going to regret it. The less government the better.

texican · #6 08/27/11, 02:31 PM

I couldn't afford to own my land, without the agricultural tax exemptions. Pretty much everyone here in this county, outside of town, have ag exemptions. Only non ag folks are the micro-lot guys, just enough for their doublewide... and the recreationalists.

My taxes on my quarter section around $600/year. Neighboring 'lots' on the recreational property??? Start at $6K/acre... yep, that much in taxes. I figure a non ag exemption on my place would put my taxes in the five figures each year easily.

When the jack booted thugs come around, sure they'll pass up my meagre scrawny hens for the fatted calves on most every other ag property.

Pa always advised me to stay away from any Federal programs... 40 years ago he was cautioning me of the dangers of getting in bed with them. He never had any qualms about the county boys... local govt (at least here) is of the people, by the people... bad folks don't make it through the next election.

mpillow · #7 08/27/11, 04:36 PM

My taxes are $808 for a little more than 5 acres...4bdrm home(no basement) and several sheds/barns with homestead exemption (7yrs? primary res.) $10k off assessed value

Forerunner · #8 08/27/11, 06:26 PM

Any "exemption" offered by them and accepted by the *snort* land-owner, definitely gives them more jurisdiction than they had.

Think of their intention with land and souls as perfecting a lien against both.
The process takes time.
There are specific steps that must be taken.
Upon their perfection, they have the right to everything.

Quit feeding their presumptions, convenient though it may be to do so, and stand for something.

olivehill · #9 08/27/11, 06:29 PM

Curious, do you all decline income tax deductions, too?

Ed Norman · #10 08/27/11, 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Pam6

gives them every right to come onto your farm and take everything they want. Your pigs, your crops, your canned goods, etc to feed the troops. Is this true?

Doesn't it sound like it violates something called Amendment III in the Bill of Rights?

Quote:

Amendment III

No Soldier shall, in time of peace be quartered in any house, without the consent of the Owner, nor in time of war, but in a manner to be prescribed by law.

You may not be personally quartering them in your house, but you are feeding them against your will.

SCRancher · #11 08/27/11, 07:06 PM

81 acres $44 dollars in taxes per year.

I don't decline an income tax deduction either.

Before someone tries to hang me for not paying my fair share I assure I do and then some.

Ernie · #12 08/27/11, 07:38 PM

It's not about paying your fair share, because we pretty much all do.

My concern is what hooks they put in you in order to get that slim discount.

Let's face it ... even WITH the exemptions, everyone's property taxes are about 300% too high.

Becka03 · #13 08/27/11, 08:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ernie

If the government shows up to take your chickens, goats, etc. then you'd probably better just wave the flag and tell them you're glad to do your part. Meanwhile, hope they don't discover the hidden compartment where you're storing canned food and ammo.

And then when they move on out into the next county for their confiscations you can join several other patriots in a hidden ambush and open up on them from the treeline.

That's my survival strategy at this point: look like a good citizen and then behind the scenes, do what you need to do to survive.

I wouldn't worry about being on a list at this point. You're already on a list. While they're going down the list and driving to your neighbor's place to collect his soybeans and such, they're not going to be adverse to stopping at your place and collecting a little extra, whether or not you were on the list.

Your husband sounds like a good guy who just hasn't quite realized yet that the government is the world's largest predator and people like us are their chosen prey.

Call up the county and ask them what the requirements are for getting an agricultural exemption and then find out how much it will be. If it saves you a big chunk of money that you could then put aside for other survival-related things then it might be worthwhile to do.

Personally though, I think if you involve them in your life then you're going to regret it. The less government the better.

What lists are we on Ernie- you keep saying it and now it is freaking me out!

Forerunner · #14 08/27/11, 09:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by olivehill

Curious, do you all decline income tax deductions, too?

As a matter of fact, upon my learning of the true nature of things, in the mid-90s, I sent back all "earned income tax credits" previously accepted in my ignorance, as I was beginning my departure from corporate governance.

Callieslamb · #15 08/27/11, 09:38 PM

I believe they passed and emergency bill last year - about how to feed the masses in an emergency and they already have to right to come and get your food. I think they have to declare a state of emergency first. It's there....they are going to try to get it one way or another.

I was interested in govt grant monies earlier this year - had to do with fencing your property for sheep. We decided it wasn't worth them knowing what we were doing and having the right to come asking about it. We'll just do what we do on our own, thank you.

Sweetsong · #16 08/28/11, 12:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Callieslamb

I believe they passed and emergency bill last year - about how to feed the masses in an emergency and they already have to right to come and get your food. I think they have to declare a state of emergency first. It's there....they are going to try to get it one way or another.

I was interested in govt grant monies earlier this year - had to do with fencing your property for sheep. We decided it wasn't worth them knowing what we were doing and having the right to come asking about it. We'll just do what we do on our own, thank you.

I'd be really interested to read that "permission to go and steal the food" bill. Do you happen to have a title for it?

oregon woodsmok · #17 08/28/11, 02:29 AM

Pam, ya gotta stop believing everything you hear.

In fact, just because you see it in print, doesn't mean it is true, either. That goes especially for stuff you see on the internet.

DianeWV · #18 08/28/11, 05:39 AM

Actually its not a slim discount, but for us and many others, ag exempt saves us thousands of dollars each year in property taxes.

The government and corporations already have eminent domain powers that can legally confiscate your land "for the public good." Barf. Doesn't matter what class your land is.

So, I don't necessarily think that by being ag exempt you are going to be anymore of a target than you already are IMHO.

Ernie · #19 08/28/11, 10:34 AM

I think I would assess where I live and the general nature of the county before I made this decision. Have they used eminent domain in support of the oil and gas industry? Are you part of a county that has a large city to support within its boundaries? Are they generally freedom loving people or do they have zoning laws up the wazoo?

The character of government is force. Always. They WILL take everything you have and let you starve before they so much as miss a meal. The only thing stopping them is the citizens beneath them. If they think that the first chicken they confiscate will lead to ambushes along every road as the word gets out then they're not going to do it.

Assess your neighbors as well. Do they look like they'd go along with such a government scheme?

wogglebug · #20 08/28/11, 06:10 PM

They know where you are, and they know how big your property is. County tax rolls give that much. If any dictator-ist wants to come confiscate goods, you can be sure they'll work down the road, looking at anything big enough that it MIGHT be used to produce something they MIGHT want. Then if they want it, they'll steal/confiscate/requisition - yeah, that's the word - requisition whatever looks good to them. Breeding stock, next year's seed for planting, a scrawny chicken for soup that's laying over 200 eggs a year, high-producing dairy livestock for one night's barbecue and dump the rest (or curry short-term favour with the eaters by handing the leftovers to them).

They'll take it anyway. You might as well get any current concessions you're entitled to.