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Old 07/08/11, 10:29 PM
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After having just finished reading "Living Off off-grid" By non other than Michael Bunker I have realized that I was on the path to the Agrarian Lifestyle and didn't even know it.

We sold off our "just outside the city" place and moved to a very remote rural area where we owned some vacant acreage for a planned someday BOL.

I had told my wife on many occasions that I could not stay as close to God where we had been and where I had been working so we needed to move on. We moved here under the worst conditions at a speed that was neck breaking due to a quicker sale on the house than expected and some "get out right away terms" by the buyer.

Note: Be careful when you pray for something, be specific or otherwise you may end up with "exactly" what you asked for.

The Agrarian Life is exactly what we have been working towards without ever knowing what it was. We are getting this place set up to be a work for God... We even call the place "God's Ridge".

Even though we shouldn't be prideful about building a self sustaining life and we should always give God the credit... I think the Agrarian Life is the life God would have us live. It provides for everything needed for our survival until we are integrated into the eternal life God has planned for his children.

I have a distaste for city living and really don't like going to town for much anymore, we are always looking for like minded people to discuss things with, so if you are thinking along the same lines, lets have a discussion.

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I have that book downloaded on my Kindle, just not to it yet.

Sounds as if you've found a haven - I find I go into "town" on the weekends less and less. I sure am glad you have your place and I look forward to reading that off-off grid book.

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I promise if you read the book with open eyes and draw your own conclusions you will never be the same person again. It was a great read and he has a new book out and available as of today that I am already reading... "Modern Religious Idols"

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"Modern Religious Idols" what's that about since it's not quite as plain as the Off Off Grid title.

I need to go read about 7 or 8 books.

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I'm about halfway through his "Modern Religious Idols". It's a tough read because I keep following back to his scriptural references.

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Yeah Ernie I hear ya! I have my bible right beside me making my usual 6x6 read (which is reading 6 verses prior and 6 after each reference someone gives me to make sure of the context. At first I was a little skeptical of the book but the further in I read the more truth seems to flow. I'm still early on, but the references about Paul and the Belly are showing up in a light I obviously have missed when reading them before. How do you like the book so far?

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Idol worship may seem like just a curious anachronism to our modern sensibilities. The Old Testament is replete with God's commands against it and Israel's temptation to it, but the average reader of today may feel quite insulated from the whole matter. Idolatry is dismissed as ancient naiveté, the impulse of the unlearned, and a superstition that the enlightened man has outgrown. In the following pages, Michael Bunker strikes at the heart of such comfortable assumptions by demonstrating that idolatry is still as alive and malignant as ever, the difference between the ancient world and ours being only that idolatry has become more subtle and idolaters more sophisticated. Instead of having outgrown idolatry, men have nurtured and perfected it. No longer do we craft our idols out of wood and stone, leaving their obvious lifelessness to unsettle our consciences; now we give our idols the breath of life by enshrining them in unbiblical ideas, selfish values and worldly assumptions. Idolatry has always been a matter of the heart; the external manifestations merely change with the times and fall in and out of fashion. The purpose of this present volume is to expose and tear down the subtle idols of the heart that have been enshrined all around us and within us.

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So... what's it got to do with S&EP?

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wvstuck, I could have written your op. I feel exactly the same...right down to the be careful what you pray for LOL
Until I read that book, I didn't really understand what agrarian meant. Now not only do I understand but now I know what to call what I have been working towards for so long.

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Sounds like 2 books I would love to read. Guess I'll have to add them to my list. I'm a firm believer that this topic fits in this forum because when a person takes care of the land and animals God has blessed them with, then it becomes a survival tool. After all, what better way to survive than to be able to live off the land?

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So... what's it got to do with S&EP?
Because the S&EP moderator asked what the book was about, and she asked that as it followed from the "off Off Grid" premise which even you would agree is VERY S&EP.

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OOG great book...

Like you it was something I was feeling to call to move toward already and it put a name to it...

Disentangling from the web of modernity will take me a little time as there are some commitments to deal with but I'm going that way...

This forum is like a book of the month club, LOL...

Modern Religious Idols... Bookfinder, here I come...

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You can use the book to hide a can of beans if you'd like.
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So... what's it got to do with S&EP?
If you read the book you'll quickly realize that these folks have built a community where survival is a lifestyle that involves everyday choices and everyday living. Survival in an Agrarian Life is not something they are planning for when and if something comes along, they live prepared everyday of their lives. Self Sufficiency is not their mantra, sufficiency provided by God would be a better description.

Survival and Emergency Preparedness: The Agrarian is already there... There could not be a better relation than that.
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Congratulations on finding "your" place in this world. An Agrarian lifestyle sounds idyllic, to be sure. And, it is the correct lifestyle for some, but not all.

We all have God-given talents. Eventually God will disclose to us what each of our talents are if He has'nt done so already. We need people living an agrarian way of life. We also need carpenters, engineers, pilots, and factory workers. Oh, and we need soldiers. If everyone gravitated towards just an agrarian lifestyle, we would be invaded from all four points of the compass within a year. Yeah, I know... it doesn't sound as idyllic, does it? But thats the reality of it all.

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I've yearned for that life and I've tried to make it happen, but ultimately I can't get there yet. Not yet. So close, but not yet.

It is God's will that I go out into the world for a time. As much as I'd like to retreat and pull up the drawbridge, it has been revealed that I have not reached that point in my life yet.

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I would love to live that lifestyle...It is what i have always dreamt of.

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I still want my washing machine! LOL I've lived without electricity a number of yrs and I've washed tooooo many loads of laundry by hand.

While I think it is a good goal not to be enslaved to our modern "conveniences", yet there are some things, like the washer, that make such a huge difference in quality of life, that you'd probably want to consider long and hard before ditching them completely. Now tv, I tossed that out long ago. I've been enjoying the net while it is available, but could get be without it. I really like having electric lights and will keep those as long as possible too. Running water may not seem like a necessity until you start pumping it by hand for irrigation and the livestock as well as household use. Even worse is hauling your water. Don't do that if you can avoid it.

Don't forget, until electricity became widely available, it was the norm for households to have at least one maid to help with the housework except for families with more children than money.

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Congratulations on finding "your" place in this world. An Agrarian lifestyle sounds idyllic, to be sure. And, it is the correct lifestyle for some, but not all.

We all have God-given talents. Eventually God will disclose to us what each of our talents are if He has'nt done so already. We need people living an agrarian way of life. We also need carpenters, engineers, pilots, and factory workers. Oh, and we need soldiers. If everyone gravitated towards just an agrarian lifestyle, we would be invaded from all four points of the compass within a year. Yeah, I know... it doesn't sound as idyllic, does it? But thats the reality of it all.
While it's true there is need for some specialists but everyone (unless you're in the concrete jungle, and if so get out!) can grow their own garden for basic foods. I think the focus is more a turning away from the evils that have lured man away from God and to return to Him...

As for the soldiers, law and order, community policing etc. just remember the minute men... When the call is just, good men rise to the occasion...
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Let's just hope they heed the call when it is sounded. We will need every able-bodied person when TSHTF.
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I've yearned for that life and I've tried to make it happen, but ultimately I can't get there yet. Not yet. So close, but not yet.

It is God's will that I go out into the world for a time. As much as I'd like to retreat and pull up the drawbridge, it has been revealed that I have not reached that point in my life yet.
First, I must say that of all the people that post on this board, yours is the most respected by me. I look forward to your insight on a daily basis.
Now for the Second,
You have yearned for that life but yet you still have electricity,
internet, automobile of some sort, cell phone and I am sure a few more modern things around the house and or farm/ranch.

I am wondering , can people really live so totally isolated that you see no one in your life or talk to anyone. ( I don't think that GOD really had that in mind)(even Jesus traveled and spoke to people) I have read on this Agrarian Lifestyle and I have to admitt that I don't really understand it. I get the feeling that this lifestyle is a cult. Now before your get your pants in a wad remember I said feeling, or maybe an opinion and not fact.

I LOVE ELECTRICITY, I grew up without it, I love my washing machine, (I grew up washing by hand. I love the grocery store for sugar , flour and such. I love garage sales, thrift stores, so on and so on.
I love having lunch with my best friend every once in a while. I love the telephone. I live a very, very frugal life and can suck more pennies out of a dime than most can out of a quarter and I am prepared if ----F but to tell you the truth I like the way I live and living a Agrarian Lifestyle just kind of scares the mess out of me.
Explain to me what the lifestyle really is and what it means to you or better yet how you live a Agrarian life. What things are involved with it.
Is it like Scientology?
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Heh. Well, you can take the Agrarian life a little too far if you're not careful. It's addicting.

The way I define an Agrarian life is this:

A basic life following Christian precepts and living simply.

How would I set that up?

A small sheep herd, hunting and foraging, a small garden, and then producing my small household crafts. I will probably have some electricity as it does make things easier here and there, but I do not need the wholesale electrical grid pumped into my house. Of course this lifestyle requires a debt-free existence.

There's the rub. I've still got a mortgage, and with that mortgage it keeps me in the corporate/industrial world to draw revenue. I simply could not produce enough wool, mutton, turnips, or knives to pay that mortgage.

One does not need to put on a hemp robe, live in a hollow log, and eat bugs and dandelions in order to live closer to an Agrarian lifestyle. But living in a frugal manner and separating yourself from those ungodly pursuits is the goal to be attained.

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Heh. Well, you can take the Agrarian life a little too far if you're not careful. It's addicting.

The way I define an Agrarian life is this:

A basic life following Christian precepts and living simply.

How would I set that up?

A small sheep herd, hunting and foraging, a small garden, and then producing my small household crafts. I will probably have some electricity as it does make things easier here and there, but I do not need the wholesale electrical grid pumped into my house. Of course this lifestyle requires a debt-free existence.

There's the rub. I've still got a mortgage, and with that mortgage it keeps me in the corporate/industrial world to draw revenue. I simply could not produce enough wool, mutton, turnips, or knives to pay that mortgage.

One does not need to put on a hemp robe, live in a hollow log, and eat bugs and dandelions in order to live closer to an Agrarian lifestyle. But living in a frugal manner and separating yourself from those ungodly pursuits is the goal to be attained.


A basic life following Christian precepts and living simply.


Ok, this definition is acceptable and not as scary as some of the stuff I have read on Agrarian Lifestyle.

One does not need to put on a hemp robe, live in a hollow log, and eat bugs and dandelions in order to live closer to an Agrarian lifestyle. But living in a frugal manner and separating yourself from those ungodly pursuits is the goal to be attained.[/QUOTE]

This one is one I already do.


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You're there! Congratulations! You've achieved the dream of about 90% of this forum.

I've got a lot of poor life choices I have to account for before I can extricate myself from the system, and then there's the simple fact that I'm where God wants me to be right now. Hopefully soon though I'll be tossed into the briar patch.

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I have been doing a little reading since our last post on here and this is what I found. All you good people that are so excited about Michael Bunker and his super way of life might want to think twice.

This is taken directly from HIS BLOG.
I have never met a self repected Christian that would talk this way much less write it down.

It's too bad that mega-church attention whore Sarah Palin, who claims to be a Christian and a Conservative, decided to support mega-church actual whore Miss California Carrie Prejean. It seems that the mega-church crowd has decided that selling your body for money and fame fits perfectly with Christianity... but with other apostate bloggers teaching that separation is just "of the heart", what can you expect? I've been thinking of putting together a calendar of beautiful, intelligent, honorable, and faithful truly Christian women wearing Godly and Biblical modest clothing and wearing headcovers. I wonder if Sarah Palin and the conservative movement will support me and get their mega-church millions to buy my calendar?

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Michael Bunker claims to live totally off, off grid but I notice he has a computer, web site, (he asks everyone to make sure they punch into his web page so he gets the hits which we all know what that means), a blog, sells books for profit, has a cell phone and watches the weather channel. With all that when does he find time for a garden, butchering, washing laundry by hand and hanging it out, grinding grain , cooking sugar cane for sugar or molasses, cleaning house, so on and so on. Busy man isn't he living off grid.
I think he has a problem with Capitalism, conservatives and all together the American freedom that we have all enjoyed all of our lives and women having a mind to think with.

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TAM, I don't really think you appreciate the idea... It's not about following Michael Bunker... This is not advocating a cult existence... In the book if I remember correctly he acknowledges he is still on the way there. He still uses a freezer for example but is preparing for "what if" by learning off grid preservation methods... I think his blog is a soapbox to reach others, his real soapbox doesn't carry his voice too far...

The grid and it's many conveniences have moved people further away from God... Getting off, off grid simply means returning to a simpler lifestyle, living closer to nature so we can appreciate what we have instead of taking it for granted... That can be whatever level you choose it to be...

Practically speaking when (not if) the grid goes down there are so many sheeple left clueless it will a horrific tragedy... If you had to could you live off grid? Not just for two weeks until power is restored but an EMP wipeout, end of the world, type of event.

This part of the book is the surface level take away... The spiritual side is much deeper and is about what that means to you, not Michael Bunker... Certainly that lifestyle is not for all... Off, off grid does not mean robes and beards... Ingenuity still applies even without an electrical grid...

Someone can more eloquently make my point, I probably should just have waited for that in the first place...

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TAM, I don't really think you appreciate the idea... It's not about following Michael Bunker... This is not advocating a cult existence... In the book if I remember correctly he acknowledges he is still on the way there. He still uses a freezer for example but is preparing for "what if" by learning off grid preservation methods... I think his blog is a soapbox to reach others, his real soapbox doesn't carry his voice too far...

The grid and it's many conveniences have moved people further away from God... Getting off, off grid simply means returning to a simpler lifestyle, living closer to nature so we can appreciate what we have instead of taking it for granted... That can be whatever level you choose it to be...

Practically speaking when (not if) the grid goes down there are so many sheeple left clueless it will a horrific tragedy... If you had to could you live off grid? Not just for two weeks until power is restored but an EMP wipeout, end of the world, type of event.

This part of the book is the surface level take away... The spiritual side is much deeper and is about what that means to you, not Michael Bunker... Certainly that lifestyle is not for all... Off, off grid does not mean robes and beards... Ingenuity still applies even without an electrical grid...

Someone can more eloquently make my point, I probably should just have waited for that in the first place...
If you can read what he, Michael Bunker, writes and honestly defend him and his teachings them GOD HAVE MERCY ON ALL OF US.
Your right, I don't appreciate his idea of separating from the whole world which is his goal in life not just for himself which would be fine but he has great expectations of taking the rest of you with him. I think Jim Jones and his followers did that at one time and one time only, L.Ron Hubbard had a similar vision which is still in the works. A few more http://www.home.churches4america.com...inamerica.html

I just hope that any of you reading his books don't read them with an open mind but rather a strong independent mind and be careful of what lurks in the shadows.
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Michael Bunker claims to live totally off, off grid but I notice he has a computer, web site, (he asks everyone to make sure they punch into his web page so he gets the hits which we all know what that means), a blog, sells books for profit, has a cell phone and watches the weather channel. With all that when does he find time for a garden, butchering, washing laundry by hand and hanging it out, grinding grain , cooking sugar cane for sugar or molasses, cleaning house, so on and so on. Busy man isn't he living off grid.
I think he has a problem with Capitalism, conservatives and all together the American freedom that we have all enjoyed all of our lives and women having a mind to think with.
And you're getting this where?

We embrace the technologies which serve us and the Lord and we reject those which do not. Do you embrace all technologies?

You've lost me now in attacking Michael Bunker. He's not even really in this discussion. I don't agree with everything he says, certainly, and I have not given up my farm and life to go sit at his knee and learn from him. But I read his books and I find wisdom there.
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And you're getting this where?

We embrace the technologies which serve us and the Lord and we reject those which do not. Do you embrace all technologies?

You've lost me now in attacking Michael Bunker. He's not even really in this discussion. I don't agree with everything he says, certainly, and I have not given up my farm and life to go sit at his knee and learn from him. But I read his books and I find wisdom there.
I am getting this off of His Own Blog and web sites. http://biblicalagrarianism.com/
It is his own words.
Now, you've lost me Ernie since he was the reason for the OP in the first place.It was all about him and his off off grid book.I read his stuff and find no wisdom , just wanting to alienate whomever he can from their family and friends with the hope of his fortune growing. Sorry, just what I read. May GOD bless you and yours.
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