chemtrails and HAARP?

[Trisha in WA]

Can any one tell me anything about HAARP and chemtrails? I have been on a bit of a break from S&EP because I was getting overwhelmed, then a friend of mine starts talking about chemtrails and I had already been hearing stuff about HAARP somehow being connected to the number of tornadoes. I really don't know anything about this stuff, so I am hoping someone here might be able to clear it up a little for me.
Thanks
Trisha

[therunbunch]

I just recently heard of chemtrails too... but what gets me about that is.. why wouldn't they just do that stuff at night? When no one can see what's up there? If it's true.. and they are spreading chemicals over our heads, then they've been doing it my whole life and I've already been exposed my whole life.

Besides.. even if all that stuff is true (and being in the military I saw LOTS of "haarp" related crap that defied reality.. we had a Full-bird fold his wings in on his collars one time and tell us not to trust our govt.. ) there isn't much we could do about it, in all honesty. Obama could come on tv and say, "American people, I want you to know that we have poisoned all the water supplies and will not be cutting off all food sources and poisoning your crops." and what would you do? They've done things, just as bold, right under our noses. They aren't even really trying to cover their tracks anymore. It's a scary world out there.

[Trisha in WA]

Over 100 views and nobody has any solid information to add? I was really hoping to get informed here.

Originally Posted by Trisha in WA

Over 100 views and nobody has any solid information to add? I was really hoping to get informed here.

If you want ungrounded speculation, moonshine, and bad fiction there's plenty to find on HAARP and chemtrails. If it's solid information you're looking for you won't find any because it does not exist. It's all conspiracy daydreaming.

[Laura Zone 10]

Daughter snapped this last night.....pretty stars.
Pretty green streaks.

[Trisha in WA]

Originally Posted by A.T. Hagan

If you want ungrounded speculation, moonshine, and bad fiction there's plenty to find on HAARP and chemtrails. If it's solid information you're looking for you won't find any because it does not exist. It's all conspiracy daydreaming.

This is exactly what I am wondering. My BS detector was going off big time when she was talking, but I want to be educated and not underestimate a possible issue.

[mightybooboo]

Trish,maybe lots of folks like me who just dont have any answers? I have a friend really into it,but its a pretty big study.Im guessing we just dont have anything valid to add?

HAARP is up to something,what it is remains unknown.My guess is its some kind of military weapon.

[Harry Chickpea]

Those pretty green streaks are fireflies.

HAARP - easy to confuse and conflate with Tesla's plan to distribute power wirelessly, especially if you are clueless on radio waves. Ever see an aurora? Notice how it occurs in sheets and kinda cool organic shapes that twist and play around? If HAARP was doing anything like what is claimed, the area near it would have some really wild auroras. Squares, smiley faces, pictures of Cheney.

Chem trails - whenever you try to press someone talking about them into a single position, they squirm and twist like a greased pig. Contrails and jet exhaust do occur. Most contrails are primarily condensed moisture from the air. They do have the effect of increasing clouds, and you can sometimes observe a contrail expanding into one. That likely is where the chemtrail fear began. It can slightly affect weather conditions, but overall the effect isn't terribly significant. Jet exhaust... the jury is out on that one. I have an undocumented opinion that it may have a negative impact on the ozone layer, but it isn't worth my time to research it further.

[Ernie]

Neither of these are subjects I know much about. I've tried to do a little research, but there's just too much junk out there surrounding the issues. Unless some sort of concrete evidence presents itself then I'm keeping them in the aluminatorium.

[PrincessFerf]

Based on what I've read and heard, this topic is filed in my brain under "conspiracy theories". Just because a thing can be proved in a laboratory or limited environment, doesn't mean it can be employed on a massive scale.

At least... I don't give the .gov that much credit. Conspiracy theories are fun, but in order to believe them fully, you need to believe that the .gov is competent and capable of actually executing on it.

[Trisha in WA]

Originally Posted by mightybooboo

Trish,maybe lots of folks like me who just dont have any answers? I have a friend really into it,but its a pretty big study.Im guessing we just dont have anything valid to add?

HAARP is up to something,what it is remains unknown.My guess is its some kind of military weapon.

I often look to folks here for good data. So, honestly I wasn't trying to bash or insult or anything like that. I'm really sorry if it came across that way.

Thank you all for your input. I normally trust my gut about these things, but there are things I just don't know enough about to make an educated conclusion. So, thank you all very much. Guess my BS detector is still functioning properly

[mightybooboo]

Oh no Trish,my comment wasnt meant as inflammatory,I just dont know.

But I dont think its benign,I just dont know.

As for Haarp,its a biggie and for sure a military top secret Im guessing,what it does though Im clueless.

But benign,nope nada,no way,theres something going on.

[Laura Zone 10]

Originally Posted by Harry Chickpea

Those pretty green streaks are fireflies.

HAARP - easy to confuse and conflate with Tesla's plan to distribute power wirelessly, especially if you are clueless on radio waves. Ever see an aurora? Notice how it occurs in sheets and kinda cool organic shapes that twist and play around? If HAARP was doing anything like what is claimed, the area near it would have some really wild auroras. Squares, smiley faces, pictures of Cheney.

Chem trails - whenever you try to press someone talking about them into a single position, they squirm and twist like a greased pig. Contrails and jet exhaust do occur. Most contrails are primarily condensed moisture from the air. They do have the effect of increasing clouds, and you can sometimes observe a contrail expanding into one. That likely is where the chemtrail fear began. It can slightly affect weather conditions, but overall the effect isn't terribly significant. Jet exhaust... the jury is out on that one. I have an undocumented opinion that it may have a negative impact on the ozone layer, but it isn't worth my time to research it further.

Hmmmmm
I would have said the same thing, except they just sprayed all the fields around me, so now every bug is dead. There have been ZERO fire flies out in the last 4 days. Not one....

Could they be 'meteor's'...part of a small meteor shower?

Not gonna lie.....we see CRAZY lights in the sky all the time up here. Lots of military traffic.....

[InvalidID]

Originally Posted by Ernie

Neither of these are subjects I know much about. I've tried to do a little research, but there's just too much junk out there surrounding the issues. Unless some sort of concrete evidence presents itself then I'm keeping them in the aluminatorium.

the stuff that gets super flooded with absolute nut jobs, that's the stuff I wonder about. Best way to cover something up is to make it seem crazy...

About HAARP and Chemtrails, it's in the I dunno file here. But the shear amount of conspiracy devoted to it makes me wonder.

[Bigkat80]

here are some links to start you off!

http://educate-yourself.org/ct/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_Fr...search_Program
http://www.fromthewilderness.com/fre...ora/haarp.html

YouTube

[therunbunch]

Originally Posted by Harry Chickpea

If HAARP was doing anything like what is claimed, the area near it would have some really wild auroras. Squares, smiley faces, pictures of Cheney.

Ought to warn people before you just say stuff like that.. didn't see that coming. Thank you for the laugh.. it hurt!

[therunbunch]

Originally Posted by Laura Zone 5

Hmmmmm
I would have said the same thing, except they just sprayed all the fields around me, so now every bug is dead. There have been ZERO fire flies out in the last 4 days. Not one....

Could they be 'meteor's'...part of a small meteor shower?

Not gonna lie.....we see CRAZY lights in the sky all the time up here. Lots of military traffic.....

My BIL was telling me the other day the he found out they aren't allowed to take the fish from the lake and eat them because they did something (poured in chemicals) to the lake?? I'll have to ask him again, but I was thinking they couldn't just go pour stuff into a lake? Guess they can do anything they want though.

My friend got a letter in the mail saying to flush their water through on Thursday because they are going to be chlorinating the well (no big deal.. that happens) but then she found out that it's not ONE day (as stated in the letter) but for TWO WEEKS!!! The letter also said the water was okay to DRINK??

The green squeaks are pretty.. no idea what they could be.

[Mr.Hogwallop]

Originally Posted by Trisha in WA

Over 100 views and nobody has any solid information to add? I was really hoping to get informed here.

Sort of a waste of time to study something as silly as the old chemtrail conspiracy.
Not trying to be rude, honest. But chemtrials?
Relax. It's nonsense.

[Harry Chickpea]

Laura, I think one firefly may have escaped. Firefly trails are pretty recognizable. Here are a couple of sites with some other photos where they hadn't sprayed the fields:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/juddpatterson/2767788217/
http://photonz.wordpress.com/2010/06/
Meteor shower is kinda unlikely. Unless it is space junk, they tend to have fairly distinct parallel or radiant paths. Military stuff? Although unlikely in that shot, yeah, seen a bit myself over the years.


Runbunch - If I warned every time, I'd be doing nothing but giving warnings. I've said that I think differently. When I think of Alaska and HAARPO productions, I have this mental image of a giant luminous head of Cheney in the sky, with a helmet on, taking deep slow breaths and going "Sarah, I AM your father." (Followed by great streaks of laser light for effect.)

Flushing a municipal water system with chlorine is common in Florida. It kills the colonies of bacteria that start to inhabit the distribution pipes. Cabin Fever could give more info on that. Primary danger is to aquarium fish.

[Forerunner]

http://www.amazon.com/Angels-Dont-Pl.../dp/0964881209

Passing either topic off as mere, groundless conspiracy theories is kinda reckless optimism, at best.