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Old 05/12/11, 08:29 AM
 
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how much food by law are you allowed to store?

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I am wondering if anyone has ever heard that we are only allowed by law to only store 2 weeks worth of food. My mother in law told me back in the old days they would bury their food so the government wouldn't confiscate it. Was this only venison that they couldn't keep or everything?

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Hi,

I am wondering if anyone has ever heard that we are only allowed by law to only store 2 weeks worth of food. My mother in law told me back in the old days they would bury their food so the government wouldn't confiscate it. Was this only venison that they couldn't keep or everything?

Thanks!
Most likely just wild game. PA law is you can have twice the legal daily take after the first day. So for instance the limit on pheasent is 2 a day. So after hunting the second day; you could have a max of 4. Same with fish. Deer however are to be consumed within 6 months. Tho things like this are largly unenforced...It's more to prove poaching.

People would likely have way more than that even if they weren't a "prepper". I mean 20 lbs of potatoes would put you over the top.
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The government recommends that you have 2 weeks of food and water on hand but as far as I know there is no limit to how much food you can stockpile right now. There are limits to stockpiling during times of war but I don't believe any such limit exists right now.

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Old 05/12/11, 08:41 AM
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There is no law against storing food, however, they can change laws any time "they" want. Store as much as you reasonably can and keep quiet about it.

There have been different times, usually during war, that food was rationed. That is probably what your mother was referring to. Sometimes people had to declare what they already had on hand and that was deducted from their ration. I would never declare to anybody what I have. None of their business.

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I believe the state of Hawaii has a law that you can't have more than 2 weeks worth of food on hand. I don't know about any other states.

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Idiot lawmakers pass idiot laws all the time.

While I may consider them as suggestions, I don't consider myself bound by them at all.

For example, the road going out of our valley goes thru 6 miles of woods with no houses or driveways coming off of it. The posted speed is 30mph.....a completely ridiculous speed that nobody, including myself, follows. I generally do 50-60, unless entering a curved section, where I will slow to 30-40, to take the curve.....or I may slow to 15-20 for the whole thing in the winter when it's snow covered. I know the road, I know what I can safely drive it at. Could I hit a deer at 60 ( or 30 )and crash ? sure....just like I could hit one at 70 on the interstate where 70 is 'legal'. Clearly, if it's an issue of safety, the only safe speed is zero. WHY go for half safety ?

Point is, lawmakers, and their sub-minions ( like the hwy dept ) make arbitrary and stupid decisions all the time...(and in the case of speed limits, often JUST for revenue enhancement)......and most folks simply ignore them.

It's very easy to sit in an office in the capital and cook up a fool law.....it's a whole nuther ball of wax to get it enforced. I mean think about it for a minute......WHO in their right mind is going to come to your door and ask to inventory your pantry ? Would you let them ? I'd put a shotgun in their face faster than they could open their mouth, and march them off my property......and that would probably be one of the more pleasant experiences they'd have in a day's 'work'. WHO would take their place at the end of the day when they resign ( or were buried ) ?

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That is a shockingly kind statment.
I wasn't referring to anyone here....or the OP's mother ( God no!). I was referring to the government's prohibition of storing food! ( if there is one )
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Then Kirk, sorry I miss read the intent in the deleted post.
I'm glad you clarified.

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I believe the state of Hawaii has a law that you can't have more than 2 weeks worth of food on hand. I don't know about any other states.
Hmm I wonder if that is a new law.
I know when I moved there in '86 there had been a recent TP scare - no sure what sparked it but geez everyone was hoarding TP.
It was extremely funny to me a New Yorker that I had to carry TP in my beach bag.

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Old 05/12/11, 09:51 AM
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I imagine if they ever do pass a law limited the amount of food one is able to store we will be the first ones in trouble!

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Old 05/12/11, 10:14 AM
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In times of war/stress there have been laws passed and arrests made etc..http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive...639C946996D6CF


There are 'executive orders' on the books that can be enacted that will allow the government to seize foods etc..
'They' encourage you to store food and water etc.. it is much easier for you to store it for them then for them to have to store it all.

By the way.. his stockpile of good is interesting.. not enough veg though.

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Wonder how they figure amounts? per person or just an amount? Our 2 weeks of food would be alot more than most....

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They're not going to be able to enforce those laws.

Would you just let them drive away with your food or livestock knowing that your family will be starving in the next 6 weeks? Not while you're armed.

Given the choice of dying of starvation versus shooting government officials, I think they're going to find this a hard law to enforce.

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I'm surprised he could fit that much food in his house. Nearly 3500 lbs of sugar in its various forms? Was he running a still?

Maybe they thought he was going to sell the wares for a major profit.

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By the way.. his stockpile of good is interesting.. not enough veg though.
30 pounds of gumdrops but only 20 pounds of chocolate? What were they thinking???
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Old 05/12/11, 10:40 AM
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So the guy was either a good prepper, or he was planning on selling on the black market.

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Laws limiting the amount of food you can store? Sure, I limit the amount of candy the kids can hide in their rooms, don't want ants. As for the .Gov... Not likely. In this area it'd be a rough days work trying to collect from folks. One likely to end in permanent vacation if you drove down the wrong 2 miles long driveway.

I think it would be awhile before they passed a law like that though. Here in Washington we have a law on the books (Because of Katrina horror stories) says the feds CAN NOT decide to disarm us in the event of an emergency.
I'd think they only way to enforece food storage laws would be to disarm people first.

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Now...I'm sure it was probably just some low-level employee, but I always find it interesting when "Official" people visit our site. I've had several visits from NASA folks, and occasionally law enforcement organizations. But now the Arizona Supreme Court is looking for seed saving information



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Old 05/12/11, 12:17 PM
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Well at least someone who works there has an interest in getting themselves prepared

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So, uhhh, those folks who weigh over 500 lbs are now illegal because they store too much food and can live for more than two weeks without it?

Do a bit of research on rationing and the food issues of Germany and England during WWII. You may be surprised what governments can and will do, including kicking people off their own land if they don't provide the allotment of food crops they have been told to produce.

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Hi,

I am wondering if anyone has ever heard that we are only allowed by law to only store 2 weeks worth of food. My mother in law told me back in the old days they would bury their food so the government wouldn't confiscate it. Was this only venison that they couldn't keep or everything?

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There are no such laws. I am baffled by how people seem to believe whatever they are told, as long as it comes from some yahoo.
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I believe the state of Hawaii has a law that you can't have more than 2 weeks worth of food on hand. I don't know about any other states.
You really need to provide a link if you are going to spout what is, IMHO, total nonsense.
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mypatriotsupply, places like yours will be first on their list for your sales records and mailing lists.

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I believe the state of Hawaii has a law that you can't have more than 2 weeks worth of food on hand. I don't know about any other states.
I've never heard of that, but I haven't lived in Hawaii since the 70's.
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It's funny you mention that. My wife and I spoke about this a few years ago before we started. With the exception of someone using a stolen credit card (in which case we would get contacted by our merchant account provider) we decided that we would never comply with a demand to turn over our customer lists. Could they get it without our help? Yeah of course. But we decided we would never just "turn over" our lists.

That said, they have much bigger and well put together lists than we have. Places like HT, even, are probably of interest.

After its all said and done it comes down to manpower. Our military - and they are one of a kind best in the world - cannot effectively control (insert a name of any country we've tried to here).

I think of a city the size and condition of Indianapolis 70 miles to my west and think the official resources allotted to my area will probably be focused there.

Of course no one knows what exactly will happen. All we can do is learn from history as well as keeping our eyes open to the things going on around us.

As for me and my family, we make the choice to be as prepared as possible rather than not. But do I think I have as much to worry about as someone trapped in a concrete jungle of a million people? Nope. Sure don't.

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It's funny you mention that. My wife and I spoke about this a few years ago before we started. With the exception of someone using a stolen credit card (in which case we would get contacted by our merchant account provider) we decided that we would never comply with a demand to turn over our customer lists. Could they get it without our help? Yeah of course. But we decided we would never just "turn over" our lists.

That said, they have much bigger and well put together lists than we have. Places like HT, even, are probably of interest.

After its all said and done it comes down to manpower. Our military - and they are one of a kind best in the world - cannot effectively control (insert a name of any country we've tried to here).

I think of a city the size and condition of Indianapolis 70 miles to my west and think the official resources allotted to my area will probably be focused there.

Of course no one knows what exactly will happen. All we can do is learn from history as well as keeping our eyes open to the things going on around us.

As for me and my family, we make the choice to be as prepared as possible rather than not. But do I think I have as much to worry about as someone trapped in a concrete jungle of a million people? Nope. Sure don't.
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Now...I'm sure it was probably just some low-level employee, but I always find it interesting when "Official" people visit our site. I've had several visits from NASA folks, and occasionally law enforcement organizations. But now the Arizona Supreme Court is looking for seed saving information



I found this a bit humorous so figured I would share
That is funny.
I'd be surprised if there were not members that sign up with .gov email addresses from those alphabet agencies.

There was one undercover cop person that use to post here, neat guy - but then he got to go home, and as far as I know is not here.
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You really need to provide a link if you are going to spout what is, IMHO, total nonsense.
Before you call this nonsense, here's a link http://standeyo.com/News_Files/Exec.Orders/EOs.html
go about 3/4 of the way down the page.
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