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Old 10/23/10, 07:36 AM
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Most of YOU probably don't need to learn this, but I am going to mention it here as a precaution to everyone. I am SOOO glad this happened...now I know the measure of the man.

I was talking to the neighbor yesterday about his calf getting out. I believe it's easier to keep cows inside fences if they are fed. We talked about his feeding practices. Evidently, he has been going to the neighbor on my OTHER side and stealing his field corn that hasn't been harvested. SO, we are between him and the corn field. He also admitted/bragged about stealing garden produce from the fields behind us (row crop farmer). His justification is that farmers waste a lot anyone so he might as well take it.....

I think I need to find a way to lock the fence around my garden. If he will do this in GOOD times...what will he do in bad times? I hear about it all the time....but to hear it from the horses' mouth was sickening.

I do not want to remain on good terms with this man. But I do not want to be on his bad side either. What would you do?

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Old 10/23/10, 07:46 AM
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I would remain chatting with him so that you can gain HIS trust and get his measure. I would also put up barbed wire and electric at the top of your fence.

Do you already have a sound LGD? IF not, get one. Pm me if you need help on this.

Some target shooting would be a good idea, let him know you are good with guns. If you are not, go to a range and get good! Be comfortable with one in your hand, and if things go south, always have it on you, at all times.

You now know him. That in a way is a good thing. Better now than in a SHTF situation. Stay on his good side. Seems like he thinks you are, which is why he is sharing info with you. That alone might help you.

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Old 10/23/10, 08:26 AM
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"Keep your friends close: keep your enemies closer."

yikes

At least being forewarned, you can be forearmed. Now that he has revealed his total disregard for the law, complete lack of respect for other's private property, and has made evident his complete lack of judgement - you got him right where you want him.

Keep an eye on him - at all times.

And if trouble comes calling, you'll know precisely where to look for the source.

Surveillance cameras/trail cams might be a good idea.

And document document document. I might even have a nice little private chat with local law enforcement so that they know (and document) what YOU know. Bring donuts.

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Old 10/23/10, 08:29 AM
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Most of YOU probably don't need to learn this, but I am going to mention it here as a precaution to everyone. I am SOOO glad this happened...now I know the measure of the man.

I was talking to the neighbor yesterday about his calf getting out. I believe it's easier to keep cows inside fences if they are fed. We talked about his feeding practices. Evidently, he has been going to the neighbor on my OTHER side and stealing his field corn that hasn't been harvested. SO, we are between him and the corn field. He also admitted/bragged about stealing garden produce from the fields behind us (row crop farmer). His justification is that farmers waste a lot anyone so he might as well take it.....

I think I need to find a way to lock the fence around my garden. If he will do this in GOOD times...what will he do in bad times? I hear about it all the time....but to hear it from the horses' mouth was sickening.

I do not want to remain on good terms with this man. But I do not want to be on his bad side either. What would you do?
Keep your friends close.
And your enemies closer.......

Big fences. Subtle messages.....
Electricity running through the fence.
Talk about guns and ammo....target practice in the yard.....talk about laws of "shoot to kill" to protect property.....

Well worded conversations, well timed, send loud and clear messages!
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I would just tell him that since he has cows and you know that cattle farmers waste a lot, then you might just fill your freezer with one of his cows. Seems like share and share alike to me .

I think I would also warn my other neighbors to this fellas ideas, most folks work hard to have what they have and don't take kindly to some fool blindly stealing from them.

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Is he gleaning or stealing?

We glean. In fact, it's one of the ways I get my kids to appreciate the cattle. If they 'forget' to water them or otherwise mistreat them then they get to go pick up a 5 gallon bucket of seed corn out of a field that has been picked. I know most of the farmers here now and I've never had a problem. I usually call either before or while we're out there and explain what we're doing. They've all been OK with it.

I did have one farmer stop and ask if I was having problems. (I had the wrong field!) When I told him what I was doing he said that he had other fields if I had other misbehaving children!

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Old 10/23/10, 08:59 AM
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Gleaning with permission is one thing, blatant stealing of crops that haven't been harvested is theft.

In a SHTF situation I guess you know which neighbor needs to go first.

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Sounds like my neighbor's cousins in another state....

Our neighbors have been to prison...breaking and entering, one son for raping a 13yo girl, the second son of the rapist went to prison for 10 years for attempted murder at age 19. The rapist is father to 8 kids that I know of the youngest is a 5 yo girl and he is 50...his oldest is 34. The mother lives their now with the B&E son who stroked out about 10years ago...she used to own this house so they feel like they can come on down and visit me and the animals anytime. I try to be a good neighbor even though I don't trust any of the boys much...I do care about their mom and would consider her my friend. And we tolerate the deer poaching to a point, there have been times when we went without because the felons who shouldn't have guns have taken 5 prior to the rifle season opening... I know the boys think that I'm a bossy Batch but I don't much care. I'm not afraid to confront them or drop a not so subtle hint.

We really haven't had any problems but once my husband was hunting and they decided to target shoot in husband's direction and my husband marched into the garage weapon loaded and gave them a lesson.... the next morning they were here at 9am apologizing. SHTF I have my targets picked out.

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Old 10/23/10, 09:38 AM
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Hey,
I'm with our little farm on letting him see you target shooting. If you arn't good I'd cheat and leave a target you shot at 50 feet on the 200 yd range right were he can see it. Leave him with the idea that you guys are crack shots while when he brings it up say well your serious about getting better.
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I think there is still the moral question of what to do now that you are aware a neighbor is stealing from another person.

Do you or don't you tell that he is stealing? I think I would have to tell. It would be wrong not to. While you can ask them to keep the source of their information secret, you would get no guarantee that it would be so that is a consideration. But the moral imperative is still there.

Silence often equates consent and you wouldn't want to consent to stealing. Just my 2 cents.

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. SHTF I have my targets picked out.

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Old 10/23/10, 10:07 AM
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I agree with Christy on telling those your neighbor has stolen from. They may be aware of the theft but unsure as to whom. Think I agree with the idea of speaking with LE as that may give them a clue as to other crimes committd. Afterall, if this guy is yakking about little stuff he may have the sense to not yak about bigger stuff. In that conversation you may get info about what you can do legally to protect yourself. No big questoins, just info that is given.......Not sure I would have that conversation within sight of your neighbor though.

Does this guy have kids? That raises whole nother level of watchfulness if he does. Are they apples that are close to the tree trunk? Are they fed better that his cattle? They might be sources of all kinds of info, too.

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Old 10/23/10, 10:18 AM
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IMO, telling someone else something that was told to you in a bragging manner and could possibly be false is a bad idea. If the neighbors who have been stolen from say anything to the op my advise would be to suggest they set up a game cam. Without proof it's just your word against his anyway.

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Old 10/23/10, 11:50 AM
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In this neck of the woods, it's better to never talk about your neighbors. Mine are all good to us, but the ones that were here before you, will all do some things we don't agree with. I simply can not figure out a way to deal with some issues. To them some things like property lines, go back to some body's daddy's uncle, bla bla bla. Somethings are just not worth cutting off you nose to spite your face. Tread Lightly.

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Old 10/23/10, 12:04 PM
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Is he gleaning or stealing?

We glean. In fact, it's one of the ways I get my kids to appreciate the cattle. If they 'forget' to water them or otherwise mistreat them then they get to go pick up a 5 gallon bucket of seed corn out of a field that has been picked. I know most of the farmers here now and I've never had a problem. I usually call either before or while we're out there and explain what we're doing. They've all been OK with it.

I did have one farmer stop and ask if I was having problems. (I had the wrong field!) When I told him what I was doing he said that he had other fields if I had other misbehaving children!
If he doesn't have permission - he's stealing. He doesn't have permission and the corn hasn't been harvested yet.
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I'm with our little farm on letting him see you target shooting. If you arn't good I'd cheat and leave a target you shot at 50 feet on the 200 yd range right were he can see it. Leave him with the idea that you guys are crack shots while when he brings it up say well your serious about getting better.
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Old 10/23/10, 12:08 PM
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thanks- you have all made me feel much better
Friends close - enemies closer.....we can do that..... to a point. People around HAVE to know he's doing this just like they all know another neighbor grows 'stuff' to smoke. I don't want my name associated with his. The corn field is rented out and I don't know who is farming it....but I don't feel comfy telling unless I see it. I have no doubts that this guy would do it.

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I think it would be a good idea to talk to the neighbors who are being stolen from -- they may know about it and think YOU are doing it. A game cam is a very good idea, so you can prove that it isn't you.

And definitely take some pro-active measures -- shooting practice, open carry at home if it's allowed there, and livestock guardian dogs (at least two of them) would be my choices. Oh, yes, and beef up the security around anything you especially value, too.

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Most of YOU probably don't need to learn this, but I am going to mention it here as a precaution to everyone. I am SOOO glad this happened...now I know the measure of the man.

I was talking to the neighbor yesterday about his calf getting out. I believe it's easier to keep cows inside fences if they are fed. We talked about his feeding practices. Evidently, he has been going to the neighbor on my OTHER side and stealing his field corn that hasn't been harvested. SO, we are between him and the corn field. He also admitted/bragged about stealing garden produce from the fields behind us (row crop farmer). His justification is that farmers waste a lot anyone so he might as well take it.....

I think I need to find a way to lock the fence around my garden. If he will do this in GOOD times...what will he do in bad times? I hear about it all the time....but to hear it from the horses' mouth was sickening.

I do not want to remain on good terms with this man. But I do not want to be on his bad side either. What would you do?

............... IF you believe that you are your Brothers keeper , you're kinda obligated too tell your neighbors what this individual has been doing , but , that is equivalent too telling him he is a thief , too his face . Because he will deduce , sooner or later , that you have informed them of his theft of their work . There is no middle ground here that I can see..........you either remain completely silent or tell your neighbors and prepare for his response . , fordy
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post your trespassers shot on sight signs maybe pop a few shots in them first, security lighting and hidden cameras.

then next time the calf gets out load it up and take it to the farmers behind you, then he can go collect it from them and explain his feeding practices.

I doubt your going to do that though, when he dropped that info on you was when you should of stood your ground, I would of told him point blank that I don't tolerate liars thieves and cheats, I want no association with him and if I ever catch or even think hes stealing from me their will be some heck to pay. that in and of its self would have put him on notice and maybe even nipped it in the bud.

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Old 10/23/10, 01:26 PM
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With the economic situtation in Michigan (where I am from and visit each year), you may want to watch your other items such as disappearing fuel in vehicles, missing livestock, or even farm tools - if this person is boasting of midnight requisitions..

If you catch this person red handed in the act on another's property, then do not hesitate to get the local law enforcement involved. Otherwise, the neighbor will escelate his gathering the neighbors belongings, with no fear of any consequences.

With my neighbors here we at least trust each other, and word gets passed quickly if someone has had an item come up missing!! Most persons enguaging in such activies of 'borrowing' another's property do get careless, and tend to boast of their 'easy pickings'.

Now if the bad neighbor were to see a person with a loaded weapon and a pair of binoculars watching them, it just may make them think twice about borrowing any of your items.

I would mention in passing to the other neighbors without disclosing any names at the beginning, some of the activies the bad neighbor has bragged about!

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Since we live in a big meth area we have to imprison ourselves...barns,chicken houses, all equipment under padlock. Sad. At least the major offenders have mostly moved or died (or even got killed), No respect for property lines, no trespassing signs..came home one day and found one harvesting an apple tree with no apologies when caught. Know they jacked deer as the dogs would haul home the leavings. We will report incidences to the law. All the current neighbors keep an eye for strangers(this is a dead end road). Neighbor at the end came home to find his big screen TV gone but my DH and another neighbor identified the strange truck and the neighbor knew who it was. Caught. Yes. Soon will be time to lock up the stock for the feeble blind road hunters who can't tell a deer from a steer.......DEE

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Old 10/23/10, 02:14 PM
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Fences are only for honest folks... you now know he ain't honest, so don't waste money on fences.

In that conversation you had, I'd have to agree with him on everything... and subtly work in that I'm sure glad he wasn't doing anything like that to me, as my backhoe's been sitting idle and I sure needed to dig a really deep hole, and would hate to have waste a couple gallons of diesel hiding a body. Borrowing/gleaning with permission, yeah, cool with that... """borrowing/stealing""" it's "Backhoe Time"... and say it with a very earnest face (Read: Clint Eastwood Dirty Harry stare).

And, from then on out, it'd be over... if he kept up his evil ways, his name would be at the top of the "list" of things to do, ten seconds after TEOTW is 'official'. And, be danged with wasting fuel on a backhoe... buzzards still have to eat.

Oh, and I sorta imagine his neighbors already know he's a sneak thief!

Callie, did you just move into this situation? Sorry for your situation... be strong, be brave... someone's got to be 'blessed' with bad neighbors, and it looks like you've won the BN lotto!

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I have an extended family as neighbors that occupy 2 houses, 2 mobile homes, and a camping trailer. Everyone is very christian and good neighbors except the one living in the camper. He's an alcoholic with a history of giving the neighbors grief. When TSHTF I will tell his family I will help them as much as possible but that I am holding them responsible for him. He acts up I have every intention of putting a permanent stop to it and then his family gets no more help.

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Old 10/23/10, 09:06 PM
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Yes we just moved in. I did tell him to his face that what he was doing to the other neighbors I had to assume he would do to me. Of course ge denied that he would. I simply said that I could no longer believe that. Our barn is now locked- dh's shop tools are out there. And we have a gun available in 3 Different places on the place. Still more to do.
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Old 10/23/10, 09:28 PM
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I wouldn't associate with the fellow at all any more and I'd warn my neighbors. They likely know but they should know where you stand too.

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Callie, it's good that you said something to him -- that at least put him on notice. Those guns that are 'available,' I would be concerned about. If they are readily available to you when you are out working, but aren't actually ON your person, they are subject to being stolen. Do you have something you can actually carry at all times?

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Old 10/23/10, 11:01 PM
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Oh, I'm not afraid to open my mouth and spout off.....I tend to get a little too hot too quckly though and end up making a mess. I have been given some good advice here. We all know these kinds of people exist. It's just shocking to run into one. To give him credit - he is a good worker. His kids don't live here.....and he's always willing to help out. He is trying to learn to take care of himself - he is raising a calf this year and asked me to help him get another one next year. I doubt if I will do it more than helping him locate one.

Some people just have a dishonest streak that goes really deep. I honestly think he has convinced himself that helping himself to others' things is okay.

The guns are safe. I do have one that I can carry. I don't think this problem is to the point of guns yet. I carried a gun for a couple years - it really gets in the way of real work.

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I wouldn't associate with the fellow at all any more and I'd warn my neighbors. They likely know but they should know where you stand too.
Good idea....I am coming to realize that there are a couple more just like him. Thankfully, the street doesn't have that many houses. Times like this, make us wish we have bought a house much further in the woods.
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I wouldn't live in fear, but I wouldn't get out in the community and start telling people bout other people till I learned who was related to who. Least said is always least mended. Around here some people like to talk tough, but they've already been told to do what they want. Always remember that most people that will steal will lie, and if they'll steal from one they'll steal from another. There is another fact to consider, after moving here 10 years ago I've learned some of the neigbors don't mind taking things back when they've been stole from in the past. I am not saying I approve, but I have had to "borrow" stuff that had been borrowed and not returned. I had to be sneaky to get the stuff back too!

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