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Old 05/04/10, 10:09 PM
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Boston's water emergency... runs on bottled water...

http://www.thebostonchannel.com/news...81/detail.html

Imagine how bad things would be if it were something a little more complicated than just water.

Of course, I reckon I'm preaching to the choir...
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Old 05/04/10, 10:13 PM
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texican - I missed why the run on water. Did they get this storm that went through Nashville, and that caused water being contiminated?

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Old 05/04/10, 10:16 PM
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Yikes. All that and they could of just boiled water.
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Old 05/05/10, 02:23 AM
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Angie, the emergency was due to a water main break. I think there were some 2 million people under a boil water order there. Makes me darn glad for my Big Berkey, hahaha. We never drink or cook with water unless it goes through the Berkey first. Too bad those folks didn't have some emergency water stores.
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Old 05/05/10, 07:07 AM
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Thanks Ode for the reason.

And I just thought this would occur in Nashville and the other flooded areas from the storm front that just flooded LOTS of folks.

Never bad idea to have some water available, or a filter, etc.

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Old 05/05/10, 09:37 AM
 
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There was a show that we saw on the Discovery Channel or History Channel last summer that detailed our country's aging (and in this case failing) infrastructure. It's downright scary the state of the water distribution, sewage handling, bridges/overpasses, etc.

Best to be as independent as possible in supplying the basic necessities for yourself and family. Like Texican said, preaching to the choir here but it's a good reminder to us all (happy B-day by the way Texican).
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Old 05/05/10, 10:01 AM
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They had to close down a major bridge indefinatly going into the city where I work. It was in really bad shape and big trucks full of steel go over it often. Now, they say they do not have the funds to ever fix it and a lot of people in the city are a bit peeved about that.
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Local and state budgets everywhere are facing critical financial budget overruns. Budgets are planned in advance and based on expected income/taxes and instead of an increase in these financial bases, a significant decrease in the pools of money is the reality. I don't know how any of this is going to play out, but it's not looking real good at this point. Throw a few natural disasters in the mix and a city/state can bankrupt very quickly.

Locally, we're still dealing with the aftermath of major flooding that shut down our water treatment plant for 2 days. It's back online now, but we're under a boil water order until the end of the week, maybe longer. DH and I keep a reserve of water both for drinking and household, but it's not a well. I don't know why we keep putting off getting a well dug. Old in body and head I suppose.
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Old 05/05/10, 10:40 AM
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They had to close down a major bridge indefinatly going into the city where I work. It was in really bad shape and big trucks full of steel go over it often. Now, they say they do not have the funds to ever fix it and a lot of people in the city are a bit peeved about that.
Why not rebuild it and then turn it into a toll bridge to pay for itself?
Thats what Texas has been doing for its highways.
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Old 05/05/10, 10:43 AM
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Great.....as if we don't have enough toll roads. Guess what they did with the toll roads here? they sold them to a company not even in the US then upped the price 75%.
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Great.....as if we don't have enough toll roads. Guess what they did with the toll roads here? they sold them to a company not even in the US then upped the price 75%.
And that's the quarrel I have with the entire mess of finances at the state/local levels. They're facing upkeep costs they can't pay for and decide to sell to a corporation. That should be against every law on the books, because what's being sold is publically owned property that's already been paid for many times over with our taxes. So, does anyone ask the public tax base if they want to sell off infrastructures or not? Apparently, they don't have to because it keeps happening over and over.

whew, and this is a GC rant and I need to shut up, and/or take it there.

As far as a survival link for this, I can see that major evacuations during disaster events depend a great deal on the infrastructure of roads being maintained to meet the needs for everyone getting quickly to a safer location. Are we going to be required to pay multiple road tolls just to move to a safer location during an emergency?

And one last dig and I'll hush, but government that walks/talks/operates like a private for-profit corporation shouldn't be allowed to exist.
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A friend of mine lives in the "boil water" area. She emailed me yesterday to thank me. Because of me, she stored 8 gallons of water in her basement months ago. Although she said it was only 8 gallons, it got her through the two days while her town was under the boil water emergency. She said she thought she was well prepared but now realizes the 8 gallons were no where near enough water for her family of 6 if there had been a major disruption in water service. She is now re-evaluating her water storage.

Its good to know that some people actually listen to my preparedness rants lol..
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Old 05/05/10, 11:44 AM
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And that's the quarrel I have with the entire mess of finances at the state/local levels. They're facing upkeep costs they can't pay for and decide to sell to a corporation. That should be against every law on the books, because what's being sold is publically owned property that's already been paid for many times over with our taxes. So, does anyone ask the public tax base if they want to sell off infrastructures or not? Apparently, they don't have to because it keeps happening over and over.

whew, and this is a GC rant and I need to shut up, and/or take it there.

As far as a survival link for this, I can see that major evacuations during disaster events depend a great deal on the infrastructure of roads being maintained to meet the needs for everyone getting quickly to a safer location. Are we going to be required to pay multiple road tolls just to move to a safer location during an emergency?

And one last dig and I'll hush, but government that walks/talks/operates like a private for-profit corporation shouldn't be allowed to exist.
When we were having major flooding a couple years ago one of the only roads I could get to was the toll road. they didn't suspend the tolls for the first couple days but then finially started making it free. It's automated so you can't get through if you don't have the pass or change.
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Great.....as if we don't have enough toll roads. Guess what they did with the toll roads here? they sold them to a company not even in the US then upped the price 75%.
Yup, our 407 toll highway in Toronto was sold to a Spanish company a few years ago. Seems to me that if a company is willing to buy it there must be money to be made from it so why sell it? Now the tolls are increasing....

I don't understand why you would sell a highway to a foreign country, seems like kind of a security risk to me.
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Old 05/08/10, 12:25 PM
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it is pretty easy to set aside 10-15 gallons of water for drinking purposes in an emergency, and the containers won't take up a lot of room. I am surprised so many people are complacent, and think there is always going to be drinking water available. If there is an interruption in water service, the people expect it to be restored quickly and that there will be bottled water in the stores. And most of those people also have no way to filter or treat water to make it safe, in the event the water emergency continues. Or a way to collect rainwater if there is no nearby running water available.

Sometimes it seems like the population is all just a herd, like sheep or cattle, expecting to be fed regularly and led to drinking water on a regular basis. They don't even think about the possibility that things could ever change, so they have no idea what to do when emergencies happen. They just stampede and bellow.
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Old 05/09/10, 01:58 PM
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I'm always amazed how the bottled water flies off the shelf as soon as they predict a severe winter storm. you'd think anyone that ran to the store once would just then realize it's a good idea to keep some water for any emergency at least. oddly, tho, once whatever the emergency was is over....right back to never giving it a thought. that's so strange to me.
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Old 05/10/10, 08:14 AM
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I was speaking to one of my young adult sons on thinking proactively on his own survival skills, The false security of thinking that "someone" will come to the rescue, et al. I mentioned this thread and the post on the friend who's eyes were opened to prepping once she was faced with a water shortage- but had put up 8 gallons at the suggestion of a prepper friend ( loose paraphrase).

Whether water main breaks, flooding or other natural issues, terrorism, etc... this report below just helps confirm from a ~non prepper /outside source~ that people need to wake up and THINK/PLAN ahead.

This is straight from the Associated Press story that ran this weekend. Even professionals with the best intentions, all the cutting edge technology, and highly controlled situations can and DO fail. "Trust Us" is SO yesterday!
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Tainted nuke plant water reaches major NJ aquifer

By WAYNE PARRY (AP) – 2 days ago

LACEY TOWNSHIP, N.J. — Radioactive water that leaked from the nation's oldest nuclear power plant has now reached a major underground aquifer that supplies drinking water to much of southern New Jersey, the state's environmental chief said Friday.

The state Department of Environmental Protection has ordered the Oyster Creek Nuclear Generating Station to halt the spread of contaminated water underground, even as it said there was no imminent threat to drinking water supplies.

The department launched a new investigation Friday into the April 2009 spill and said the actions of plant owner Exelon Corp. have not been sufficient to contain water contaminated with tritium.

Tritium is found naturally in tiny amounts and is a product of nuclear fission. It has been linked to cancer if ingested, inhaled or absorbed through the skin in large amounts.

"There is a problem here," said environmental Commissioner Bob Martin. "I am worried about the continuing spread of the tritium into the groundwater and its gradual moving toward wells in the area. This is not something that can wait. That would be unacceptable."

The tritium leaked from underground pipes at the plant on April 9, 2009, and has been slowly spreading underground at 1 to 3 feet a day. At the current rate, it would be 14 or 15 years before the tainted water reaches the nearest private or commercial drinking water wells about two miles away.

But the mere fact that the radioactive water — at concentrations 50 times higher than those allowed by law — has reached southern New Jersey's main source of drinking water calls for urgent action, Martin said.

He ordered the Chicago-based company to install new monitoring wells to better measure the extent of the contamination, and to come up with a plan to keep it from ever reaching a well.

The contamination is not a new issue, plant spokesman David Benson said, questioning the need for Martin's order.

"We have monitoring wells on site, and the tritium concentration is down steadily, sometimes by as much as 90 percent," he said. "We are drilling more wells, and we will work closely with the state. We have been all along."

Should the plant fail to stem the spread of the contaminated water, the state will do it and bill the company for three times the cost as a penalty, the environmental department said.

Department spokesman Lawrence Ragonese said there are several potential ways to address the contamination, including pumping tainted water out of the ground, or injecting a different part of the aquifer with water to force the plume of contaminated water backward and away from wells.

No option has yet been decided upon.

The radioactive water leaks were found just days after the plant got a new 20-year license in 2009 that environmentalists had bitterly fought for four years. Those problems followed corrosion that left the reactor's crucial safety liner rusted and thinned.

The Nuclear Regulatory Commission and Exelon insist Oyster Creek can operate safely until it is 60 years old. But environmental groups disagree.

"The bad news is Exelon's Oyster Creek plant ... has now become a major threat to South Jersey's drinking water," said David Pringle of the New Jersey Environmental Federation. "The good news is NJDEP Commissioner Martin is taking aggressive action to safeguard our water and hold Exelon accountable for this leaky 40 year old plant."

Julia LaMense of the Eastern Environmental Law Clinic hailed the state's action and condemned the NRC "for letting it come to this."

"It's a sad day when the 'wait and see' approach taken in response to yet another 'trust us' from Exelon results in exactly what we feared — contamination of one of the most significant aquifers in the region," she said.

Oyster Creek went online Dec. 1, 1969, the same day as the Nine Mile Point Nuclear Generating Station near Oswego, N.Y. But Oyster Creek's original license was granted first, technically making it the oldest of the nation's 104 commercial nuclear reactors that are still operating.

Located about 60 miles east of Philadelphia and 75 miles south of New York City, Oyster Creek generates 636 megawatts of electricity, enough to power 600,000 homes a year, and provides 9 percent of New Jersey's electricity.

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Wow, I live less than hour from Lacey Twp and I have not heard any of this on the news. Makes me thankful for my Big Berkey water filter. What if it had gotten into the water supply before they realized it? What if my family had been drinking that water unknowingly? All the "im sorry's" in the world woulnt have made it better. Im putting in an order for an extra set of filters.
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Wow, I live less than hour from Lacey Twp and I have not heard any of this on the news. Makes me thankful for my Big Berkey water filter. What if it had gotten into the water supply before they realized it? What if my family had been drinking that water unknowingly? All the "im sorry's" in the world woulnt have made it better. Im putting in an order for an extra set of filters.
i don't know whether a berkey filter will remove tritium. i googled, and couldn't find where it said tritium was removed. takes out lots of nasty stuff, but perhaps not that. anyone able to find something more authoritative?

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Old 05/11/10, 02:23 AM
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It removes heavy metals, so probably it will. As long as the actual contaminated particles are caught in the filter, the water should be fine. There might be some danger from radioactivity exposure if you get a particle lodged in a cut or in your hair, no knowing how damaging it could be. As I am not very informed on how damaging it is, I leave that to others to answer.
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