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Old 03/09/16, 03:52 AM
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Ruth Bader Ginsburg Just Shut Down the Texas Argument for Their Restrictive Abortion Law

That's how it's done!

Texas is currently in the middle of a Supreme Court battle over Texas House Bill 2, a law that requires all abortion clinics in the state to meet the same standards as hospitals. Since most abortion clinics do not perform the same type of procedures as hospitals, meeting those standards is prohibitively expensive.

Since the law went into effect in 2013, 22 clinics have been shut down in the state, severely limiting women's access to safe abortions, as well as overall reproductive healthcare.

During the proceedings, Texas Solicitor General Scott Keller is representing the Texas Department of State Health Services.

On Wednesday, he made the argument that many women who live farther than 100 miles from a clinic have the option of going to a clinic in a neighboring state.

He used the example of women in the El Paso area who could drive to New Mexico for care.

However, Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg pointed out that abortion clinics in New Mexico are not held to the standards of Texas HB2.

If it's okay for women in El Paso to go to a clinic that doesn't adhere to these regulations, why isn't it okay for the rest of the women in Texas?

Essentially, Texas is countering their own argument that clinics are only safe for women when they're held to HB2 standards, by saying that clinics in New Mexico are an acceptable alternative.
I bet he feels foolish
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Old 03/09/16, 05:52 AM
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Since Texas can only pass laws that regulate things inside Texas borders, it doesn't sound foolish at all.
If someone chooses to go outside of that state, they are assuming their own risks, it's not Texas' responsibility anymore.
Having an option, doesn't mean the options are equal.
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Texas is passing this law for the supposed welfare of their citizens. Using that excuse proves they are not thinking of their welfare. Royal fail and Ginsburg highlighted it.
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Perhaps he hasn't been to one and assumed that they were as good as in Texas ?
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Old 03/09/16, 07:58 AM
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Since Texas can only pass laws that regulate things inside Texas borders, it doesn't sound foolish at all.
If someone chooses to go outside of that state, they are assuming their own risks, it's not Texas' responsibility anymore.
Having an option, doesn't mean the options are equal.
Yes, it does sound foolish when he's arguing clinics aren't safe unless they meet the more strict standards which are the entire basis of the new laws

You can't claim to be concerned with women's "safety" then say what he did.

They had options closer to home before the state took them away
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Old 03/09/16, 08:02 AM
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Perhaps he hasn't been to one and assumed that they were as good as in Texas ?
It's not very wise to be making assumptions while arguing your case to the
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It's not very wise to be making assumptions while arguing your case to the
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Yeah, like never assume that those Authoritarians, in Black Robes, have any respect for the Constitution whatsoever. Never assume that they won't either twist the words of the Constitution, or, twist the words of the law to make it fit, whichever meets their political agenda.
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Yeah, like never assume that those Authoritarians, in Black Robes, have any respect for the Constitution whatsoever. Never assume that they won't either twist the words of the Constitution, or, twist the words of the law to make it fit, whichever meets their political agenda.
That sounds like a whine just because one of those people in robes asked a very intuitive question and got a stupid answer.
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That sounds like a whine just because one of those people in robes asked a very intuitive question and got a stupid answer.
No, that is in response to a long pattern of agenda driven rulings.
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No, that is in response to a long pattern of agenda driven rulings.
Or maybe law driven and you just don't like that so you try to justify.
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Yeah, like never assume that those Authoritarians, in Black Robes, have any respect for the Constitution whatsoever. Never assume that they won't either twist the words of the Constitution, or, twist the words of the law to make it fit, whichever meets their political agenda.
Maybe, to use your own words, you can show me where in the constitution government gets the ability to dictate how wide a hallway is? That is one of the provisions of the law in question.
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Maybe, to use your own words, you can show me where in the constitution government gets the ability to dictate how wide a hallway is? That is one of the provisions of the law in question.
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LMAO. I love how people in this country cry foul over "authoritarianism" and "totalitarianism" whenever they don't like the outcome. I love how they want their states to have virtually unlimited power to infringe on the individual rights of THE PEOPLE, because they're nothing more than little totalitarian monsters themselves, and they actually hate individual liberty and democracy....but they're just so mad at the "authoritarians." They'll say, "but abortion is a big deal." Yea, it is. But they want the same thing for gay marriage, they want the same thing for banning Islam, they want the same thing for stopping random people on the street to check their ID because they LOOK Hispanic....as if that isn't a massive infringement on the Fourth Amendment every time that person turns out to be a citizen.

It's ridiculous. It really is.
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Are abortion clinics not kept to the same standards are hospitals? Aren't the procedures performed in the clinic? Why shouldn't they be kept to the same standards as a hospital?
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Are abortion clinics not kept to the same standards are hospitals? Aren't the procedures performed in the clinic? Why shouldn't they be kept to the same standards as a hospital?
Abortions are not not cutting into the body. I believe that hospital setting are only required for major incisions.
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Are abortion clinics not kept to the same standards are hospitals? Aren't the procedures performed in the clinic? Why shouldn't they be kept to the same standards as a hospital?
Often the "procedure" is the administration of a couple of pills. Should the same standards for a hospital operating room be neccessary for this?

The other factor is that these requirements were written to be specific only to abortion clinics. There are many other clinics and medical providers in Texas that do procedures as invasive, if not more so, that will not have to follow these same guidelines. If safety, and not just reducing access to abortion, is the point of this law the law should be applied to all outpatient medical providers, should it not?
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Maybe, to use your own words, you can show me where in the constitution government gets the ability to dictate how wide a hallway is? That is one of the provisions of the law in question.
Sure, 10th amendment. That was easy
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Sure, 10th amendment. That was easy
You've voiced objections to such citations in the past. Good to see you're coming around.

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LMAO. I love how people in this country cry foul over "authoritarianism" and "totalitarianism" whenever they don't like the outcome. I love how they want their states to have virtually unlimited power to infringe on the individual rights of THE PEOPLE, because they're nothing more than little totalitarian monsters themselves, and they actually hate individual liberty and democracy....but they're just so mad at the "authoritarians." They'll say, "but abortion is a big deal." Yea, it is. But they want the same thing for gay marriage, they want the same thing for banning Islam, they want the same thing for stopping random people on the street to check their ID because they LOOK Hispanic....as if that isn't a massive infringement on the Fourth Amendment every time that person turns out to be a citizen.

It's ridiculous. It really is.
Yeah, I really don't like the outcome when the results are totalitarianism and authoritarianism.

Don't even begin to tell me what I think. You have enough trouble figuring out what you think.

Abortion is a big deal, because it ends a human life.

I don't give a crap if homosexuals want to involve government in their unions. More power to them. It should have been a state matter, but, as per usual, the SCOTUS did a big ole power grab.

I am for freedom of religion, that includes ALL religion.

I am also in favor of nearly open boarders. (make immigration easy and open, but, know who we are letting in)

So, you intellectual giant, do the world a favor and worry about you, for a change.
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