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07/10/15, 12:18 PM
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07/10/15, 12:23 PM
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and you can get it without your parents permission.
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07/10/15, 03:22 PM
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Makes no sense. How does a 15 year old go to all those pre-surgery doctors appointments and then enter the hospital for surgery "without their parent's permission"? They even can't drive themselves.
But suppose they get a ride, tell their parents they are spending the night with a friend, and then what, they just come home the next day and say, "Surprise! I'm not a boy/girl anymore!"?
What kind of irresponsible doctor would go forward with treatment and surgery without seeing any parents, just taking the word of a 15 year old?
ETA: And I don't think the taxpayers should have to pay for it, either. It's not a life threatening condition.
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07/10/15, 04:01 PM
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Originally Posted by MO_cows
Makes no sense. How does a 15 year old go to all those pre-surgery doctors appointments and then enter the hospital for surgery "without their parent's permission"? They even can't drive themselves.
But suppose they get a ride, tell their parents they are spending the night with a friend, and then what, they just come home the next day and say, "Surprise! I'm not a boy/girl anymore!"?
What kind of irresponsible doctor would go forward with treatment and surgery without seeing any parents, just taking the word of a 15 year old?
ETA: And I don't think the taxpayers should have to pay for it, either. It's not a life threatening condition.
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I read someplace that it was in response to those who had been kicked out of the home or rejected by their family but I doubt if many that age make it to surgery because the proper protocol is for counseling followed by psychological testing to see if they're emotionally capable of coping, that is followed by hormone therapy and after that would come a series of surgeries.
Essentially, no doctor takes the word of a 15 year old or even an adult and would have to work with a team of psychologists to ensure that someone is a candidate for gender reassignment. There is a woman in my community who had gender reassignment surgery and it is a process than spans years.
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07/10/15, 04:46 PM
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Wiscto, are you aware that conversion therapy is not the same thing as gender reassignment? If so, perhaps I am dense and simply don't see your point. Doesn't the left want conversion therapy banned? Obama does. I don't understand why the left would crucify the governor over it unless she was against that ban but she signed it so why were they upset with her?
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07/10/15, 05:13 PM
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Wiscto, are you aware that conversion therapy is not the same thing as gender reassignment? If so, perhaps I am dense and simply don't see your point. Doesn't the left want conversion therapy banned? Obama does. I don't understand why the left would crucify the governor over it unless she was against that ban but she signed it so why were they upset with her?
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Actually that's kind of my point. FOX is implying that the left is conspiring to make it okay for 15 year olds to receive gender reassignment. The reality is that a significant portion of the left believes that people are being nudged and "shamed" in the direction of gender reassignment as a solution to being gay, which they don't like at all. Oregon's governor is LGBT, and she led the way on the measure to ban conversion therapy. There are a lot of people on the left who are fighting for a "normalization" of reassignment, so believe it or not the left is kind of split on that.
As far as I know, conversion therapy basically treats the patient's gender identity issue as a medical/psychological issue that can be "cured" by reassignment. Considering a 15 year old would need a licensed therapist to sign off on their condition for it to be a medical issue, and the fact that conversion therapy is now banned, I am suspicious of the claims that a 15 year old could actually receive reassignment surgery. I read the Medical Age of Consent laws for Oregon and I don't see anything that mentions reassignment. I would think that parental rights over a minor would hold up unless reassignment is specified in the law.
Even if I'm wrong, I don't really appreciate FOX and the conservative blogosphere not delving into the issue. And honestly, I don't really appreciate the rest of the media's apparent silence. Somebody COULD sort this out if they wanted to just tell the truth without swinging everyone's opinion one way or the other, or if they weren't just interested riling everyone up to squeeze a few more cents out of the 24 hour news cycle.
Edit: But to your point, I probably misunderstood CNN's efforts with that headline.
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07/10/15, 06:46 PM
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Originally Posted by wiscto
As far as I know, conversion therapy basically treats the patient's gender identity issue as a medical/psychological issue that can be "cured" by reassignment.
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I don't know what you're talking about in a lot of that, but as far as I know you are incorrect about this part. The conversion therapy that was banned as I understand it is that where a gay or trans person is counseled to be straight or non-trans.
ETA: I think perhaps there is some confusion in terms. Reassignment is the surgery to make someone born a male into a female, or vice versa. Hormone therapy may also be included in that. It is my understanding that those were not banned this year. Conversion therapy is psychological and/or religious counseling to be straight/normal, and that is what was banned.
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07/10/15, 08:55 PM
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07/11/15, 10:42 AM
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Originally Posted by kuriakos
I don't know what you're talking about in a lot of that, but as far as I know you are incorrect about this part. The conversion therapy that was banned as I understand it is that where a gay or trans person is counseled to be straight or non-trans.
ETA: I think perhaps there is some confusion in terms. Reassignment is the surgery to make someone born a male into a female, or vice versa. Hormone therapy may also be included in that. It is my understanding that those were not banned this year. Conversion therapy is psychological and/or religious counseling to be straight/normal, and that is what was banned.
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Ahhhh yup. I got it wrong. I tried to blame the social justice warriors at work last night, for confusing me, but when I asked them about it they got the definitions right. I appreciate your correction, I rushed it and didn't double check my assumption regarding the terms. I have officially been blinded by my desire to shut certain people down.
15 is way too young for that kind of decision.
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