To throw the first punch...

[Jolly]

A bit of a different take on a current hot story in the sports world:

http://www.returnofkings.com/67365/f...-male-athletes

[wr]

I don't believe that he should have been released until there was a full review but I do believe they likely had moral grounds because it's my understanding he's under the legal drinking age so his presence in the club may be their legal position.

Factually, the video doesn't reflect well for him but it doesn't exactly flatter the woman either but I would think that statements from both and any witnesses would make for a more informed decision.

The article draws inferences, as evidenced by the word seemingly, which is based on the fact that there is no sound and it only takes into account the interaction at that one point in time. Do they have some previous history or know each other in some way or perhaps had a previous altercation of some kind?

I'm not sure this means it's open season on male athletes but I'd sure be interested to know the rest of the story.

[Terri]

I remember when I was a kid, somebody threw a punch at somebody's boyfriend. He hit back, and he went to jail for 2 years. You see, the boyfriend was a professional boxer, and the BF hit him without telling that to the drunk who swung at him, and so it was considered assault with a deadly weapon. It did not matter that the drunk swung first: the young man could not legally defend himself without warning the other guy first.

People with a black belt in any of the martial arts are under the same restrictions.

I SAW that clip, and the young woman did swing first, even though he was twice her size. I wonder if football players have the same restrictions that boxers and black belts have?

[Shine]

??? Equal Rights ???

Personally I would not hit a woman but I have been struck by women and have almost retaliated. Some women are just pure evil, just like some men. Where do you draw the line?

[RichNC]

Originally Posted by wr

I don't believe that he should have been released until there was a full review but I do believe they likely had moral grounds because it's my understanding he's under the legal drinking age so his presence in the club may be their legal position.

In Florida, you can be in a bar or club at age 18, but you can't drink, just so you know. I don't agree with it, but it is the way it is.

[FeralFemale]

What was the reason why she turned around and told him off? Did they know each other and have a bad history? Where they strangers and he was mfeeling her bum? We don't know anything. The only thing we do know is what we see on the video.

My opinion is that in response to a weak, glancing blow, he punched her so hard that her head bounced off the bar and she almost went down. I'm willing to bet that there had been some unwanted touching or advances that took place prior to the start of the video we've all been seeing. Twenty some odd years ago I had a lot of experience with Div I football players and how entitled and handsy they can get. There is a reason why that girl turned around and showed him her fist

[Patchouli]

Okay at first I thought surely this is some sort of very poor taste joke or spoof. Kept reading and figured out nope this dude is dead serious. And then I got to this and wondered how any decent minded man could read this guy's drivel or post a link to it:

And when it comes down to it, women know deep down that most domestic violence situations are a two-way street.

Really? I don't think so.

The football player is responsible for his actions. Period. He could have walked away. He should have walked away. Instead he brutally punched her. The only really surprising thing here is that FSU actually did the right thing for once.

[Jolly]

I was told a long time ago that women fight with their mouths, men fight with their fists.

While I don't agree that all domestic violence situations are a two-way street, I do think some of them are.

[Jolly]

And another general observation...As a guy, you bow up and hit somebody bigger than you, you know that it's game on. That's why you don't tie up with somebody bigger than you, unless you absolutely have to.

Why don't women have the same inhibition?

[Laura Zone 10]

Just to clarify, i am a female.

1. They are in a bar, alcohol is involved.

2. The young man did what every one at a bar does: makes a hole to get to the bar.

3. I DON'T CARE WHAT WORDS were said; he did nothing physically aggressive to her first. SHE HAD no right to raise a fist.

4. *I* personally taught my son NEVER EVER hit a woman BUT; if she balls her fist up like a man and drills you OR kicks him in the junk..........DROP HER.

5. He should have never put his hands on her he should have walked away.

6. He has a right to defend himself, she clearly was the aggressor, but he, being a man, should have walked away.

7. The media is garbage, and so of course the spin it to make him look like a monster. Again, he should have walked away. SHE SHOULD HAVE NEVER raised a hand to him.

Oy Vey.

[Laura Zone 10]

Originally Posted by Jolly

And another general observation...As a guy, you bow up and hit somebody bigger than you, you know that it's game on. That's why you don't tie up with somebody bigger than you, unless you absolutely have to.

Why don't women have the same inhibition?

1. She's drunk and stupid.

2. She thinks she gets a free pass because she's female.

3. She thought some other dude would defend her.

4. She's drunk and stupid.

[AmericanStand]

I don't fight part way sadly it's something I've learned from experiance.
Throw a attack me and I will do my best to kill you.
She punched and kneed him I think he showed remarkable restraint.

[AmericanStand]

I'd think that most here would think that just her calling him a (won't let me post the African word for black)would have justified what he did.
Again I think he showed remarkable control.

[Laura Zone 10]

People need to THINK before they act.

1. What if a female decides to haul off and punch a combat Veteran in the face? What was he trained to do?

2. What if he's on drugs?

3. What if he's on the verge of a psychotic break?

4. What if he had been brutally beaten as a child?

5. What if he just got out of prison for murder?

6. Whatever happened to "if you want to be treated like a lady, ACT LIKE ONE"?

7. Why is she not in the news for assault? Is she being prosecuted?


It's dumb to let 18 year olds in a bar. Period. Beyond dumb. 18 year olds, though chronologially are 'adults', have no business in a bar.
They are not mature enough (8 out of 10).
I have bartended for 30 years.......I can speak with some authority on this topic.
CLEARLY this is a bar where fighting takes place often, because the bartender never missed a beat, and no bouncers POUNCED on the female or male.
Clearly, that generation has not been taught self control / self restraint.

[oneraddad]

Originally Posted by Jolly

And another general observation...As a guy, you bow up and hit somebody bigger than you, you know that it's game on. That's why you don't tie up with somebody bigger than you, unless you absolutely have to.

Why don't women have the same inhibition?

Most men don't look for the weak to "tie up" with, unless they're a pussy.

[kasilofhome]

Originally Posted by RichNC

In Florida, you can be in a bar or club at age 18, but you can't drink, just so you know. I don't agree with it, but it is the way it is.

Well, I grew up entering bars, as did my high school classmate. When we did turn of age we got our first drink on out house....

Had to have a stamp on your hand to buy a drink. Now, I won't deny that rum and coke can be "confued" with just plain coke...

I can't remember where it was about no entering certain business when underage... I was of age when that happen.

I still believe 18 should be the age due to being an adult.... legally and it is age discrimination to have different treatments for adults.

[Laura Zone 10]

Ok, just watched the end of the video.......the clown in the hat at the end walks up to the bar and puts his HAND in her BLOOD......that the bartender DIDN'T clean up.
I hope she's HIV negative......

The bartender is wiping his hands with a rag, yet never offers the rag to her or gets her a napkin for her bleeding nose.......

Could that be because she's a witch and he didn't care?

Did you notice the guy next to her, that watched her get punched in the face and DO NOTHING......

Her female friend was more preoccupied with tying her hair up than she was stopping the blood from gushing out of her face......

NO ONE was freaked out that she was spewing / dripping blood EVERYWHERE.....hello, bio-hazard.



Ahhhh human nature......so much to be learned in the short little video.....

[kasilofhome]

Ps. I know women are equal to men so she attacked ..... he defended himself period.

If one can accept that they are sexist, and the discriminate.... thus commit mental hate crimes... in just communicating it.


......am I up on the new American way.

[JJ Grandits]

I must have been raised too a different standard. all he had to do was walk away. He's a miserable coward and definitely not a man in my book. I don't care what she said or even that she hit him first. He's a loser.

[DEKE01]

As a big FSU football fan, I applaud them for doing the right thing. No matter what happened first, the guy is an idiot to punch a woman like that. After all that has been in the news for the last couple of years, if he isn't smart enough to walk away from a situation like that, he isn't smart enough to be a franchise QB.