So much for accepting responsibility.

simi-steading · #1 12/05/13, 12:22 PM

So it seems cops decide to shoot at an unarmed man in NYC and shot two bystanders.... so they charge the guy with felony assault since he caused the police to shoot the bystanders.. The police are out of control...

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/12/05/ny...uare.html?_r=0

Ozarks Tom · #2 12/05/13, 01:44 PM

Cowardly, lacking judgement, wimpy, and stupid. Did I miss anything? Oh yeah, bad shots too.

simi-steading · #3 12/05/13, 02:00 PM

It amazes me how the cops can shoot all they want, and pretty much always walk away unscathed and with their jobs and some medal.. yet if we try to protect our selves from such cops, we're felons assaulting a cop...

I get respect the law, but then again, respect gets respect, and I've not seen many cops respect anyone other than each other.. and even then, it's more a contest as to who is badder and better..

Wanda · #4 12/05/13, 02:12 PM

Did you read what the woman's lawyer sad about who should be charged? Follow the money and you will see why the city wants the crazy guy to be responsible for medical and lawyer expenses.

simi-steading · #5 12/05/13, 02:23 PM

Yeah.. saw that.. anything they can do to keep the city from paying out.. You're right, everything any more is about nothing more than the money..

Greed is ruining this country..

If I would have been one of the ones shot, I'd be suing the cops and the city.. .not the crazy guy..

Tabitha · #6 12/05/13, 02:28 PM

I wonder what the outcome of this will be. Astonishing something like this should happen. What has this country come to.

simi-steading · #7 12/05/13, 02:33 PM

I have to wonder.. is this the situation you can start shooting back at the cops?

I would feel that if I was already shot, then it's time to draw my gun and start shooting back in self defense if physically able to... Not only would I be trying to fight for my safety, I'd be trying to keep other innocent bystanders safe..

What has it come down to when you'd feel as a citizen, you need to protect other citizens from the police..

Darren · #8 12/05/13, 02:37 PM

This is why you always need a dog to distract the cops. Hopefully they'll warn you by shooting the dog first and you can get the drop on them.

dkhern · #9 12/05/13, 03:41 PM

i worry way more about some federal agencies swat getting the address wrong and kicking in my door than an armed home invasion by a bad guy.

Buffy in Dallas · #10 12/06/13, 03:34 PM

Unfortunately the guy was unarmed so he couldn't shoot the cops.

dkhern, I agree. We are in more danger from the cops than from bad guys.

Sadly we aren't allowed to shoot the cops when they bust down the door and try to kill us.

FeralFemale · #11 12/06/13, 06:25 PM

If you are committing a felony and someone dies in the commission of that felony, then you are responsible for that person's death -- even if it is just some guy having a heart attack from the stress of being robbed at gunpoint or even if the cops shoot and kill bystanders in their attempt to apprehend you. It's called felony murder.

The logic to this is that a reasonable person should know if they engage in felonious behavior, then bad things -- like the death of a bystander -- may happen.

I may not agree with the DA's decision to charge the man with a felony, but that is the logic behind charging him with the deaths of the bystanders.

simi-steading · #12 12/06/13, 06:36 PM

The man wasn't committing a felony. He was disorderly at most... but now he's being charged with a felony because a couple of cops used some really bad judgement.

I think they should be charged with attempted homicide for shooting at an unarmed man..

FeralFemale · #13 12/06/13, 07:09 PM

I didn't say I agreed with the charges. Just that if he is charged with a felony then he can be charged with the other deaths.

And let's not forget this a liberal rag that is reporting on the story. 99/100, when you hear about something like this there is more to the story. A DA doesn't charge something that they reasonably think they can't make stick. It is a waste of time and manpower to do otherwise.

You may be 100% correct, simi, but I'd hold off on knee jerk accusations against law enforcement unless you can say you know for sure what exactly happened. I withhold my judgment until all the facts are known in situations like these.

jwal10 · #14 12/06/13, 07:19 PM

But then the cops have to put up with what is happening here right now. Police are called to a Christmas tree farm and an officer gets shot in the leg. He has been airlifted. Swat is called in, too early to know all the details yet....James

Reboopie · #15 12/06/13, 07:44 PM

Sounds to me like the police need to practice shooting so the can hit their target.

simi-steading · #16 12/06/13, 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by FeralFemale

You may be 100% correct, simi, but I'd hold off on knee jerk accusations against law enforcement unless you can say you know for sure what exactly happened. I withhold my judgment until all the facts are known in situations like these.

Watch this video.. OUT OF CONTROL... Look how far away the cops were..

They CLAIMED they THOUGHT he was pulling a gun.. They should have waited until they could see a gun.. At the distance they were at, with guns pulled, they would have had plenty of time to fire if he did pull a gun.

http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local...234530441.html

No matter what.. Cops shot bystanders.. the city is responsible for them... yet they are trying to weasel out of it..

simi-steading · #17 12/06/13, 07:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Reboopie

Sounds to me like the police need to practice shooting so the can hit their target.

I agree.. I find it interesting gangbangers tend to hit the person they are shooting at holding their guns sideways, yet cops that practice all the time can't seem to hit crap.. THink LA and two women in a pickup...

Rivmage · #18 12/09/13, 10:08 AM

Why did the cops shoot first then try the taser? Shouldn't it have been the other way around?

edcopp · #19 12/09/13, 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Buffy in Dallas

Unfortunately the guy was unarmed so he couldn't shoot the cops.

dkhern, I agree. We are in more danger from the cops than from bad guys.

Sadly we aren't allowed to shoot the cops when they bust down the door and try to kill us.

Says who?

simi-steading · #20 12/09/13, 10:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rivmage

Why did the cops shoot first then try the taser? Shouldn't it have been the other way around?

Because ammo is cheaper than batteries and taser cartridges..

Sacrifices being made in the name of tough financial times and budget cuts..