Fast Food Twits

[Farmer Willy]

Does anyone know any of the mega minds that are protesting that McDonalds and other fast food soy shops should pay them $15 and hour to add fries to an order? They can't raise a family and pay rent making current fast food dollars.

Well isn't that a light bulb moment!!!

I'm not even sure where to start to untangle that web. Do you start with the unions that are egging them on? With the expectation that what they do is worth that amount? With the consequences of poor life choices?

If they get their $15 and hour does that mean I must be worth $90 an hour and that a burger should go for $18?

[mnn2501]

Originally Posted by Farmer Willy

If they get their $15 and hour does that mean I must be worth $90 an hour and that a burger should go for $18?

That's exactly what it means, every time minimum wage has gone up, prices go up.
Businesses are in business to make money - sad how many people don't realize that.

[secuono]

Have you never worked in a fast food place? They work you to the bone, refuse to give you days off, don't believe you are sick, postpone and/or shorten breaks, make you work in boiling hot kitchens, etc.
$15 an hour is too much, but at the same time, these places demand people work crazy hard for very little. Even go as far as telling you to work off the clock, no one believes you, no one will back you up either. No one wants to lose their crappy job.
I'm glad there's finally a group of mcdonald workers willing to lose their jobs and fight back. I rather eat dirt than work at another fast food place...

[arabian knight]

Originally Posted by mnn2501

That's exactly what it means, every time minimum wage has gone up, prices go up.
Businesses are in business to make money - sad how many people don't realize that.

Ya for sure. I worked at a fast food place years ago. Was even a "Soda Jerk" back in the day that was fun. LOL.
But no way should any place be forced to pay such a high price in labor, in fact there should not be a minimum wage law at all. Let the private sector set the price workers get paid, if ht workers don;t like it then move on. nobody is forcing them to work at a Learning Wage and that is all minimum wage should be is a Learning Wage. Period.
And Good Restaurants WILL take care of their workers. Now Perkins is not a fast food place but at one Perkins in my area Two Waitresses have been there OVER 40 YEARS. Now that is neat. They know me so well and what I want to eat they just ask me "Want Your Usual?" Yes I do and bingo they bring what I haves always ordered for the past 35+ years.

[poppy]

Originally Posted by secuono

Have you never worked in a fast food place? They work you to the bone, refuse to give you days off, don't believe you are sick, postpone and/or shorten breaks, make you work in boiling hot kitchens, etc.
$15 an hour is too much, but at the same time, these places demand people work crazy hard for very little. Even go as far as telling you to work off the clock, no one believes you, no one will back you up either. No one wants to lose their crappy job.
I'm glad there's finally a group of mcdonald workers willing to lose their jobs and fight back. I rather eat dirt than work at another fast food place...

I've been in several and have yet to see anyone working themselves to the bone. Many of the jobs would compare to low skilled factory work in the monotony dept. and pay accordingly. When you have a crew of 9 scheduled and average 3 of them calling in sick every Friday and Saturday night it is easy to become jaded to their excuse of sickness. They generally get the dregs of employees and, if you notice, when they do manage to hire a good one he/she isn't there long because they find a better job. The losers quit, mope around broke for a couple weeks, and end up in some other fast food joint.

[snowcap]

it's not the wages it's inflation.

[dkhern]

i worked fast food for years. here is the facts. make min wadge anything you want it to be. doesnt matter ill pass it on to the consumer. nothing else i can do. if consumer doeant want to pay that price for food i close my doors and go do something else nothing else i can do. not 50+ employees are going from $15 to $0. simply too smart for me.

[Sonshine]

Originally Posted by secuono

Have you never worked in a fast food place? They work you to the bone, refuse to give you days off, don't believe you are sick, postpone and/or shorten breaks, make you work in boiling hot kitchens, etc.
$15 an hour is too much, but at the same time, these places demand people work crazy hard for very little. Even go as far as telling you to work off the clock, no one believes you, no one will back you up either. No one wants to lose their crappy job.
I'm glad there's finally a group of mcdonald workers willing to lose their jobs and fight back. I rather eat dirt than work at another fast food place...

I've worked at fast food places. Yes, the pay is low, as is most service type jobs. The thing is, they aren't suppose to be your career, but a starting point. A place to get some experience in the workforce and earn a few bucks. Once you're grown, it's time to move into a job that you can move up in. Unless you work for fast food joints in managerial positions, especially DMs. Their pay's not too shabby.

[CraterCove]

A fast food joint was never meant to be how you raised your family-- unless you choose to progress into management, franchise ownership or something other than slinging microwaved patties.

I, for one, have stopped going to fast food joints. We'll go when we are on the road for hours and just don't care about the money we're wasting. Because it's a waste.

A big mac meal here (not a large a small) costs over 7 dollars. Why, if I had the time, would I not just go to Red Lobster or Olive garden, pay a dollar, maybe two more and have kind of real food instead?

A family of five and we can't get out of a fast food joint for less than 30 dollars... add another ten and we can sit down and have something nicer.

So go ahead, raise their wages. When a big mac is over 9 dollars there ain't no way in all of Hades I am paying that much for what I am not certain is even meat. They are pricing themselves out of the market.

[Cornhusker]

I have a nephew who is 25, and works fast food.
The reason he works fast food is because he can't pass a UA and has a skate board as his main transportation.
If he made $15 an hour, he'd still ride a skateboard and still couldn't pass a UA to get a good job.
It's his choice to make minimum wage instead of growing up.

[CraterCove]

What's a UA?

[Cornhusker]

Originally Posted by CraterCove

What's a UA?

Pee test
Whiz Quiz

[Hollowdweller]

Originally Posted by Farmer Willy

Does anyone know any of the mega minds that are protesting that McDonalds and other fast food soy shops should pay them $15 and hour to add fries to an order? They can't raise a family and pay rent making current fast food dollars.

Well isn't that a light bulb moment!!!

I'm not even sure where to start to untangle that web. Do you start with the unions that are egging them on? With the expectation that what they do is worth that amount? With the consequences of poor life choices?

If they get their $15 and hour does that mean I must be worth $90 an hour and that a burger should go for $18?

Gosh. I don't think they can get $15 an hour but you have to start high to get anything.

As much hating of the poor as I see on this board and the statement that people should go out and work, well.... to then attack working people because they are trying to get more money and have a better life for themselves seems somewhat contradictory?

[Wolfy-hound]

The OP calls people with jobs who go to work names.

The lowest paid wage jobs in fast food are not enough to support a family. That's why people who only have a very low paid job should not be starting families. Single people without major expenses, young people still living at home or people who have other incomes in the household used to make up the employees at these rates.

The problem is not in the people who need more money to make ends meet. The problem is that people in the US don't live within their means. If you can't afford to support children, don't have any yet. If you can't afford a smartphone, high speed internet and a pricy gaming system, don't buy them until you can.

But calling people names just because they want higher wages, or gosh they're working at a fast food place? Petty. They're working a job for money. If they were getting minimum wages to work long hours on a farm, they'd be 'admirable', but doing the same thing in a fast food place is somehow despicable?

And there are other jobs available, just not jobs people think of as "good jobs". I still see a LOT of ads looking for things like welders and heavy machinery drivers, truck drivers, and the like. Many are even willing to train. But that's "menial labor" and probably looked down upon as well. Never mind that it's all an honest wage.

[arabian knight]

When the wage goes up the cost will be passed on to the customer.
Fast food will loose its appeal. Thats followed with loss of business and jobs.
And those people that would make more will be PAYING more in goods and services. SO their BUYING POWER is no more then what they were before said dumb increase in wages were increased. There should be NO minimum wage law. Period.

[DEKE01]

Originally Posted by secuono

Have you never worked in a fast food place? They work you to the bone, refuse to give you days off, don't believe you are sick, postpone and/or shorten breaks, make you work in boiling hot kitchens, etc.
$15 an hour is too much, but at the same time, these places demand people work crazy hard for very little. Even go as far as telling you to work off the clock, no one believes you, no one will back you up either. No one wants to lose their crappy job.
I'm glad there's finally a group of mcdonald workers willing to lose their jobs and fight back. I rather eat dirt than work at another fast food place...

One wonders if it is really so bad how they keep workers. My nephew worked at McD's for 3 years while he was in high school. He thought it was a good experience and enjoyed the money he earned. My wife worked at a Wendy's when she was in college and we really needed that money then. I'm glad the job was there.

[Cornhusker]

Originally Posted by Hollowdweller

Gosh. I don't think they can get $15 an hour but you have to start high to get anything.

As much hating of the poor as I see on this board and the statement that people should go out and work, well.... to then attack working people because they are trying to get more money and have a better life for themselves seems somewhat contradictory?

Nobody is attacking the poor
Most of us have been there.
Most of us have been poor and worked our way out of it, and every time they raise the minimum wage to buy votes, they make the rest of us poorer.
One day you are making 4 times minimum, then they raise it and you are making 3 times minimum.
Didn't help the minimum wage workers a bit, and just hurts us older people who have worked hard all our lives.
That's the way the left works, they pull the top down to the bottom and leave the bottom where it is.
It's all about votes, they fooled the stupid into thinking raising minimum wage actually helped.

[CraterCove]

Originally Posted by Hollowdweller

Gosh. I don't think they can get $15 an hour but you have to start high to get anything.

As much hating of the poor as I see on this board and the statement that people should go out and work, well.... to then attack working people because they are trying to get more money and have a better life for themselves seems somewhat contradictory?

Hating of the poor? Wow... guess that's the new term like 'racist' or 'homophobe' that is used in an attempt to belittle people with opinions other than the ones a certain side of an argument wants to hear.

Stop trying to shut people up by insulting them.

You cannot charge more than the market will bear for any product. In order to stay in business a business owner must weigh the costs, the personal risks to any venture and what he gets to bring home at the end of the day to make it all worthwhile. Fast food joints are already in trouble and now you want to put lots more people out of work by forcing their wages upwards above what the 'skill' of slinging burgers should command.

[DEKE01]

Originally Posted by Hollowdweller

Gosh. I don't think they can get $15 an hour but you have to start high to get anything.

As much hating of the poor as I see on this board and the statement that people should go out and work, well.... to then attack working people because they are trying to get more money and have a better life for themselves seems somewhat contradictory?

Gee, where is all the hate for the poor?

If fast food workers want higher pay, I support their right to work elsewhere, strike, start their own fast food joints. What I don't support is the tyranny of the majority to set a non market based price for labor just because they control enough votes or of politicians to use min wage laws to buy votes.

[Hollowdweller]

Originally Posted by mnn2501

That's exactly what it means, every time minimum wage has gone up, prices go up.
Businesses are in business to make money - sad how many people don't realize that.

The min wage was raised to 7.25 in 2009. In that year inflation was negative .4 percent. Inflation in 2010 was 1.6% and in 2011 it was 3.2% and in 2012 it was 2.1%

In the preceding 3 years to the increase is twas 3.8% , 3.8% and 3.2%

So we can at least say that the 2009 increase did not result in an increase in inflation.

Figures here.

http://www.usinflationcalculator.com...flation-rates/


Bill Clinton signed a min wage increase and at that time the conservative Heritage Foundation argued it would impact inflation and employment. They basically predicted inflation, lowered employment and increasing the deficit.

You can read it here:

http://www.heritage.org/research/rep...d-minimum-wage


However between 1993 when Clinton took office and 2001 unemployment dropped dropped from over 7% to 3.9%

Also the Heritage Foundations assumption that raising the min wage would result in less people working was wrong. Labor force participation went from 66.2 to 67% under Clinton

Inflation rate over Clintons term averaged 2.6%.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...omy-in-charts/

So while I will accept the argument that there is a tipping point where the cost of paying workers more will increase prices and reduce employment, I dont' think the increase to $10 and hour and possibly not even the $15 an hour level will increase it.

The full employment, low inflation and increasing labor participation rate under Clinton, who raised the min wage and expanded the earned income tax credit would lend me to believe that the more you make work pay, the more people you have working.

The conservative argument that you make people work by making them starve, and you make people get jobs with better pay by making them slave at low paying jobs does not seem to jive with the facts on the ground.

For instance one thing we hear is that if people making min wage go and get an education then they can improve their lot w/o an increase in the min wage.

However per the Wall Street Journal in 2012 college graduates made up 35% of Min wage workers. 10 years ago it was 29%


http://blogs.wsj.com/economics/2013/...mum-wage-jobs/

Moreover there is evidence that these highly educated workers working for min wage are actually displacing some of the less educated workers who are being totally forced out of the labor market.

So to the arguments about the min wage I'm hearing here. I heard them before, the min wage was increased and I did not see any of the predicted catastrophe.