Justice in Brazil

[poppy]

A young thug robs a guy of his motorcycle at gunpoint at a stoplight and as he is ready to ride off, a cop steps out from across the street and shoots him. Instant justice is good. Video here:

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013...saves-the-day/

[simi-steading]

Right on... Live by the sword.. .But to think if that happened here in the US, everyone would be upset about jack booted thugs shooting people...

[summerdaze]

Reminds me of here back in the old days when they'd hang a man for stealing a horse. While I think our justice system is lacking, and our prisons too soft, I'm glad cops don't just shoot first. But mostly, because I wouldn't want to see that get out of control. I worry that that day will be here before we know it already.

[davel745]

How about the two women in the pick up truck. the cops opened up on them because it was a pickup truck.
How about the kid at the train station the cops shot and killed him after he was in cuffs.

[ninny]

Real justice would have been if the motorcycle rider would have pulled out a gun and shot the thief.

[SteveD(TX)]

Originally Posted by davel745

How about the two women in the pick up truck. the cops opened up on them because it was a pickup truck.
How about the kid at the train station the cops shot and killed him after he was in cuffs.

"How about???

What do these incidents have to do with the video in the OP?

[Dolly]

To me the underlying and overarching message is that if you stick a gun in someone's face, you can expect someone else to stick a gun in yours, or in this case to die by gunshot. This isn't a surprising outcome, except perhaps to the guy who died.

[Ozarks Tom]

The camera work wasn't up to par, and the sound track was sketchy, but overall I'd give a 4 out of 5 for content.

The first time is went to Rio I had dinner at my manufacturer's home. After dinner he had his daughter drive me to my hotel. She barely slowed down from 50 mph at stop lights. A little confused and worried about a crash, I asked her why she didn't stop. She looked at me like I was stupid, and explained after dark the thieves are waiting behind cover of parked cars, etc., for someone to stop, so nobody does. Downtown Rio at 50+ mph at night, what a ride!

The guy also picked me up every morning in a different old car, and took a different route to his office each day. Tough place.

[copperkid3]

He certainly got what was coming to him.

My only criticism of the police after he was down

and incapacitated, was poor suspect control . . .

Did none of those on-scene, not have a set of handcuffs or flex-ties?

Was he even searched for any other possible hidden weapons?

Wonder if anyone was able to get the plate # off the get-away cycle and if he was nabbed later?

Probably not, as their m.o. appears to involve stolen motorcycles . . .

have to assume they probably were using one already taken from another victim.

Maybe he'll choose another line of work . . . a good strong arm man is hard to replace.

[ninny]

Originally Posted by Ozarks Tom

The camera work wasn't up to par, and the sound track was sketchy, but overall I'd give a 4 out of 5 for content.

The first time is went to Rio I had dinner at my manufacturer's home. After dinner he had his daughter drive me to my hotel. She barely slowed down from 50 mph at stop lights. A little confused and worried about a crash, I asked her why she didn't stop. She looked at me like I was stupid, and explained after dark the thieves are waiting behind cover of parked cars, etc., for someone to stop, so nobody does. Downtown Rio at 50+ mph at night, what a ride!

The guy also picked me up every morning in a different old car, and took a different route to his office each day. Tough place.

Isn't that where the next olympics are going to be held?

.

[Ozarks Tom]

Originally Posted by ninny

Isn't that where the next olympics are going to be held?

.

I believe you're right. Some events might be interesting, seems everyone there is practicing for the 100 meter dash.

[DryHeat]

After dinner he had his daughter drive me to my hotel. She barely slowed down from 50 mph at stop lights.

I was also in Brasil on business, mostly, several times back over 20 years ago. One of my contacts similarly blew through red lights after picking me up at the Rio airport in the evening, giving me the same explanation. On the other side of the coin, another fellow I talked with here in the states after he'd been in Rio said several *cops* burst into his hotel room, held him incommunicado for about a week while trying to extort $100K or so from his family for completely bogus drug trafficking charges. The only other city I've been warned as clearly by locals to stay away from their police at all costs is New Orleans. Another Brasilian business contact I had was forced to move away from his original family and warehouse/living quarters when he went downstairs at his place to find two thieves ransacking the place after breaking in. He shot them both dead, and it turned out they were both local cops.

[davel745]

Originally Posted by summerdaze

Reminds me of here back in the old days when they'd hang a man for stealing a horse. While I think our justice system is lacking, and our prisons too soft, I'm glad cops don't just shoot first. But mostly, because I wouldn't want to see that get out of control. I worry that that day will be here before we know it already.

Hi Steve D in Texas. I was trying to say that the cops do shoot first in regards to summerdaze's post and concerns. I forgot to press the quote button. Sorry for the confusion. of course my normal state is confused. I think I comes with age. Take care.

[summerdaze]

Originally Posted by davel745

Hi Steve D in Texas. I was trying to say that the cops do shoot first in regards to summerdaze's post and concerns. I forgot to press the quote button. Sorry for the confusion. of course my normal state is confused. I think I comes with age. Take care.

Well, yeah, there have been instances, and there ARE bad cops, no doubt. I just meant that the law of our land so far does not give free reign to any cop at any time to shoot whomever they feel like shooting. They are expected to (try and) arrest them first, and put them through the process. Because absolute power corrupts absolutely, I'd prefer it stay this way.
Would I like to see the taxpayers saved the cost of jailing a serial killer? YES. Pedophile? YES. Terrorist? YES. But I'm afraid that if LEO had that much free reign, that at some point, people would be getting shot for much lesser offenses. In other words, some people may end up getting killed that didn't NEED killin'! KWIM?

[plowjockey]

How did the Cop know, the motorcycle did not belong to the gun wielder, who may have been taking it back - by force, from whoever stole it from him, yesterday?

"instant" justice can work against you, as much as it works for you.

That's why fortunately - unless we want to be like Brazil, it is not used here.

[Pops2]

Originally Posted by simi-steading

Right on... Live by the sword.. .But to think if that happened here in the US, everyone would be upset about jack booted thugs shooting people...

That's because here they would shoot the bike's owner & a couple of bystanders then charge the survivors & anyone taping it with obstructing an officer.

[TRellis]

Originally Posted by plowjockey

How did the Cop know, the motorcycle did not belong to the gun wielder, who may have been taking it back - by force, from whoever stole it from him, yesterday?

"instant" justice can work against you, as much as it works for you.

That's why fortunately - unless we want to be like Brazil, it is not used here.

I am guessing that the cop shot him because the would-be thief pointed his weapon at him.

The cop came out of the waiting, black SUV in front of the yellow-striped, white bus. He saw the entire thing more than likely since the black SUV was sitting there as the motorcycles pulled up to the intersection. He got out of his vehicle and walked toward the bad guy as he climbed onto the motorcycle. The bad guy is looking in the cop's direction and then you hear the shots.

The cop removes the gun from the ground next to the bad guy and a moment or two later you can hear someone asking "Why did you point it at me?" (in Portuguese obviously). It is not the owner of the motorcycle saying that, so I assume it was the cop asking. The motorcycle owner does berate the thief for a bit while he is sprawled on the pavement.

That is the preferred method of car and/or motorcycle-jacking in Sao Paulo and for that matter all of Brazil.

And yes, Brazil is where the 2016 Olympics are to be held. It is also the location of next summer's World Cup which a Brazilian drug cartel has just threatened. See link...

http://latino.foxnews.com/latino/spo...ld-cup-terror/

I have always liked Brazil but over the last 20 years it has become quite a nasty place. I do not think I will be going to either the World Cup nor the Olympics this go-around.

TRellis

[copperkid3]

Originally Posted by plowjockey

How did the Cop know, the motorcycle did not belong to the gun wielder, who may have been taking it back - by force, from whoever stole it from him, yesterday?

"instant" justice can work against you, as much as it works for you.

That's why fortunately - unless we want to be like Brazil, it is not used here.

+ + + + + + +
Haven't you heard? "Instant" (or any other kind of justice) is a thing of the past.

So tell me which is better . . . being executed on the streets of Rio for a crime

that you actually committed in the very presence of law enforcement, or being

rounded up and indefinitely detained WITHOUT benefit to legal council, all at the

mere whim and or suspicion of being an enemy of the P.O.T.U.S.?!!!

Thank you very much, but I think my chances (and rights)

are much, much, better south of the equator.

[plowjockey]

Originally Posted by copperkid3

+ + + + + + +
Haven't you heard? "Instant" (or any other kind of justice) is a thing of the past.

So tell me which is better . . . being executed on the streets of Rio for a crime

that you actually committed in the very presence of law enforcement, or being

rounded up and indefinitely detained WITHOUT benefit to legal council, all at the

mere whim and or suspicion of being an enemy of the P.O.T.U.S.?!!!

Thank you very much, but I think my chances (and rights)

are much, much, better south of the equator.

Go for it.

Sound's like Brazil, is the perfect utopia, Conservatives have been looking for.

[copperkid3]

Originally Posted by plowjockey

Go for it.

Sound's like Brazil, is the perfect utopia, Conservatives have been looking for.

+ + + + + + + + + +
'most' regressives, that they read more into a sentence then was stated?

Again . . . read slowly and contemplate the meaning of each word

and then together as a whole. I said that my chances (and rights)

are much, much better south of the equator (then they are here

in this country at the moment.) I don't plan on moving there -

but will do everything within my power, to bring it back to

the proud republic it once was or die trying in the process.

I also believe that Obozo will attempt to enact the provisions

of the N.D.A.A. more fully before his term is supposed to be up.

It also wouldn't surprise me in the least, if a number of our members

here on H.T., just up and vanished - never to heard from again.



Hope that was clear enough to understand.

Nearly positive the N.S.A. does now.