And so the Obamacare complaints begin

where I want to · #1 10/10/13, 02:26 PM

http://money.cnn.com/2013/10/10/news...care-families/

Any time a law is made where one part of the population has great benefit while another, very similar, does not, then the have-nots get really irritated.
That is the reason social security has lasted fo long- almost everyone has a stake in its success. Everyone got something for the money they paid.
If Congress and the President think to benefit some and not others while making those who get nothing pay for it all, then it is not going to be a success.
Either it will get cut back or expanded- it will not stay under control.

simi-steading · #2 10/10/13, 02:28 PM

I just feel bad for all the people who will be fleeced and left broke for having to buy it or pay the tax before it goes away..

7thswan · #3 10/10/13, 03:24 PM

I've heard so many horror storys. Now I hear the libs whineing that we should go to single payer right away. Like we didn't know that was going to happen.

Ozarks Tom · #4 10/10/13, 05:59 PM

These are NOT unintended consequences.

Wolf mom · #5 10/10/13, 07:30 PM

Maybe, just maybe (with a glimmer of hope) the mass of uninformed will get the horror of O'Care perpetrated by O and his gang, and begin to question...........

Tricky Grama · #6 10/11/13, 07:18 AM

True, most everyone has a stake in SS...just had a good friend die at age 65-made a LOT of $$ in his working days, so what happens to all he put in to SS?

beowoulf90 · #7 10/11/13, 07:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Wolf mom

Maybe, just maybe (with a glimmer of hope) the mass of uninformed will get the horror of O'Care perpetrated by O and his gang, and begin to question...........

Not going to happen!

Once a government program starts it never ends, even when they force us into a single payer system, 0bamacare will still be around and "we" will still be paying for it.. They will say something that we are paying for the costs of incurred during the time 0bamacare was running.. The problem is those costs will never go away..

A classic example is here in PA there used to be a program called the CAT fund, that payed/helped pay for catastrophic injuries incurred from an auto accident. Well that program was ended (I'm guessing) 10 to 15 years ago, but if you get any type of ticket or parking violation, you are still charged for it..
Another problem was that from the beginning it didn't cover those on motorcycles, yet they tried to charge us for it on a ticket. They said we had to pay for the cost of operating it, even though it wasn't available to us..

The point is 0bamacare will continue to cost the people forever. Thus enriching politicians and the companies that back them (which may change when different set of politicians are in office). Remember you have to have "approved" insurance.. Just like 0bama has given the illegals the right to be on the National Mall, and forsaken Veterans, the next president will do the same thing except with their favorite companies and groups..

This is what happens when the people willing give up control to the Govenrment..

In fact now that the barrier has been broken and the Government can tell you what you have to buy/have, they now will also be able to direct you on how you worship...

Remember the IRS is still "attacking" (couldn't think of the proper word) conservative groups, which may change when the next president gets into office.. Your "group" may be next...

I do find it funny that those that supported 0bamacare will and do whine and cry when it's their group being assaulted. They don't understand that the political party makes no difference, once they willingly give up their freedom, they have condemned all of us... The party in office will change (at least until a dictator takes over) so while they give "their" party the power to delve into their personal lives and finances, they seem to forget that "their" party won't be in power for ever and the other party will and can change the rules.

As I said Government programs never end once they start and we will be paying for ever as will our children and their children...Disgusting thought if you ask me..

Wolf mom · #8 10/11/13, 09:45 AM

Yes, beowoulf90, I do agree, but we must never loose hope. That and anger will be the motivation to effect change.

Yes, certain effects of laws never leave the books - that's why I'm so glad O and his gang said NO to increasing the spending limit short term (at least when I checked last evening) . Ain't no such thing as short term where money is concerned with this gang. They'll say oh, sure, short term is OK, then turn around and lie about every agreeing to it while manipulating to make it long term.

where I want to · #9 10/11/13, 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Tricky Grama

True, most everyone has a stake in SS...just had a good friend die at age 65-made a LOT of $$ in his working days, so what happens to all he put in to SS?

Widows if he has them, disabled children if he has them, the funeral home or it just is part of the pot paid to everyone else.

KansasFarmgirl · #10 10/11/13, 02:56 PM

I found out today my employer was going to have to pay $36,000.00 this next year to keep myself and ONE coworker insured with the insurance company we have had since 2005.

So, guess where we are going? Yep, on ObamaCare.

where I want to · #11 10/11/13, 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by KansasFarmgirl

I found out today my employer was going to have to pay $36,000.00 this next year to keep myself and ONE coworker insured with the insurance company we have had since 2005.

So, guess where we are going? Yep, on ObamaCare.

Well, if your income is low enought to get a subsidy, it may cost you less. But what a shame both to have so many forced on a subsidy at the whim of politics and for the tax pay to have to cover this.

It certainly helps to make Obamacare a rousing "success" if many people are forced to go there.

I sincerely hope it works well for you - it might. It is going to be bad for the country as awhole though.

7thswan · #12 10/11/13, 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by KansasFarmgirl

I found out today my employer was going to have to pay $36,000.00 this next year to keep myself and ONE coworker insured with the insurance company we have had since 2005.

So, guess where we are going? Yep, on ObamaCare.

I am sorry. I hope you can find Insurance that is as good as what you had. It will cost quite abit if your employer had to pay as much as what you quoted. Obamacare is ruining out HC in this Country. A Fools Folly.

poppy · #13 10/11/13, 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by 7thswan

I've heard so many horror storys. Now I hear the libs whineing that we should go to single payer right away. Like we didn't know that was going to happen.

Luckily, single payer will NEVER happen as long as the GOP has the House. Obama rammed Obamacare through with shady deals without any GOP support and poisoned any goodwill they had for him. They will never pass anymore of his stupid ideas.

wwubben · #14 10/12/13, 07:24 AM

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Originally Posted by KansasFarmgirl

I found out today my employer was going to have to pay $36,000.00 this next year to keep myself and ONE coworker insured with the insurance company we have had since 2005.

So, guess where we are going? Yep, on ObamaCare.

You should get a very good policy through Obamacare for far less than $18000.

Ambereyes · #15 10/12/13, 07:39 AM

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Originally Posted by wwubben

You should get a very good policy through Obamacare for far less than $18000.

Is that calculating the out of pocket costs?

7thswan · #16 10/12/13, 07:44 AM

Ok, I'm doing math here( scary)
325. my 20% x 5 = 1,625. per month for 2 of us.
1,625 x 12 months = 19,500. $ per year. This is Hap,which is an HMO.
................................^^^^^^^^^^^^ is what my Dh's employer is paying,minis our $325. per month. (20$ copay on meds and office calls)

SeanInVa · #17 10/12/13, 08:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Tricky Grama

True, most everyone has a stake in SS...just had a good friend die at age 65-made a LOT of $$ in his working days, so what happens to all he put in to SS?

This is a good question. My step father passed in 2012 and my mom went to talk too the ss people. If I recall she can either collect the death benefit after she turns a certain age or her retirement benefit but not both. That's what I recall them saying. Does this sound correct? So yes where does the 'other' money go?

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TheMartianChick · #18 10/12/13, 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by SeanInVa

This is a good question. My step father passed in 2012 and my mom went to talk too the ss people. If I recall she can either collect the death benefit after she turns a certain age or her retirement benefit but not both. That's what I recall them saying. Does this sound correct? So yes where does the 'other' money go?

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The other money stays in the pot, just as it does when a single 30 year old with no offspring dies.

Nevada · #19 10/12/13, 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Ambereyes

Is that calculating the out of pocket costs?

The max out of pocket for my Obamacare policy is $6000/year. UNless there is a major illness, I shouldn't have more than $200 or $300 out of pocket (primary doctor, labs, and generic meds) for the entire year. My premiums are $53, or just over $600 each year. That should keep all medical costs, including insurance premiums, below $1000/year.

Ambereyes · #20 10/12/13, 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Nevada

The max out of pocket for my Obamacare policy is $6000/year. UNless there is a major illness, I shouldn't have more than $200 or $300 out of pocket (primary doctor, labs, and generic meds) for the entire year. My premiums are $53, or just over $600 each year. That should keep all medical costs, including insurance premiums, below $1000/year.

Hmm, that was not the out of pocket one of my friends was quoted, his was 7500. Young, single and healthy.