big pharma fraud

haley1 · #1 10/06/13, 02:48 PM

http://www.rsc.org/chemistryworld/20...on-diovan-drug

Novartis caught fabricating data on a BP drug

Tricky Grama · #2 10/07/13, 06:58 AM

What else is new?

wharton · #3 10/07/13, 07:35 AM

My wife spent several years suffering from continually declining health, including loss of mental clarity, balance, and bouts of degrading to a zombie like state. She retired early from an administrative position in education, since she could no longer think clearly enough to do her job. She literally would slip into a state of acting, thinking and moving like a 90 Y.O woman who was near death. It took hundreds of hours of research, eliminating drugs, foods, etc.... and tens of thousands wasted on specialists to come to the conclusion that nobody had a clue. We were repeatedly lead astray by medical professionals who think that blood pressure meds. are as harmless as Skittles!

One day I found an online resource for those suffering "off-label" side effects of Diovan. It was an amazing moment. Hundreds of folks who's lives had been heavily damaged until they stopped believing the medical community, and big Pharma, and decided to no longer poison themselves with this stuff. Most had "miracle cures" and saw elimination of serious health problems within days to weeks.

Doesn't surprise me that the manufacturer got caught doing illegal activities in marketing of this stuff. It can, and does, have some horrendous effects on many of it's users, and none of the information appears in their provided documentation. Trust me, the "medical professional" prescribing it to you is absolutely clueless about what they are handing out!

Tricky Grama · #4 10/08/13, 09:38 AM

I am so glad, Wharton, y'all found out the problem. I've heard similar stories plus my Mom had bad drug reactions that docs wouldn't blame on drugs.

Patty

wharton · #5 10/08/13, 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Tricky Grama

I am so glad, Wharton, y'all found out the problem. I've heard similar stories plus my Mom had bad drug reactions that docs wouldn't blame on drugs.

Patty

Amazing isn't it? Wife had a nearly fatal stroke nearly two decades ago. Given the effects on the brain, and the need for continual heavy anti-seizure, and anti-spasm medications, she is extremely sensitive to side effects, including having seizures from strong antibiotics and pain killers. At one point a local family physician told me, "Tramadol.............. burn that name in your brain and NEVER let anybody give it to your wife, it WILL cause violent seizures". A few months ago a back specialist tells her that he cannot recommend surgery for her horrific back pain, but will give her something that works great.....you guessed it. Well we argue for a few minutes that it would be inappropriate to prescribe to a head injury victim. He disagrees and claims that I am overreacting. I do further research and find that it has an extraordinarily high (4%) incidence of seizures in normal patients, and may start them on a long term path of seizures. It is also clearly NOT to be prescribed to anybody with a history of head trauma........

Unfortunately, this does not surprise me in the least. Most doctors have a vague understanding of what they are prescribing, and why. Few have any working knowledge of the side effects, or long term damage of their actions.

Awnry Abe · #6 10/09/13, 07:45 AM

Pharmaceutical sales reps have entered into the group of people that have an influential affect on your health care...

simi-steading · #7 10/09/13, 07:46 AM

You've seen one company get caught.. If you worked for a law firm that represented them and saw a lot of what I've seen concerning big pharma, you'd be like me and not want to take any medicine if you could help it...

wharton · #8 10/09/13, 06:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Awnry Abe

Pharmaceutical sales reps have entered into the group of people that have an influential affect on your health care...

As you might of guessed by my last few posts, we spend a LOT of time in doctor's offices. Want to figure out the difference between a patient and a pharma rep. waiting to see the doctor? It's easy. The pharma rep. is the one in the short skirt, 6" stilettos, skin tight blouse and several layers of clown paint on. I'm dead serious. The average pharma rep. in these parts is completely indistinguishable from a common prostitute, once they step away from their brief case. As a doctor I would be offended, and have no issue with asking them to please leave, and not return, until they wished to dress like they have some dignity. There are jobs, like being a cheerleader, cocktail waitress, street-walker, etc..... where it may be appropriate to look like a 'ho, somehow I don't think it's necessary when schlepping pills! It's pathetic and disgusting.

watcher · #9 10/09/13, 07:42 PM

How many people do you meet everyday who would be dead w/o "big pharma"?

arabian knight · #10 10/09/13, 08:16 PM

I like what some call "big farms" I got one of their pretty dern expensive RA drugs for Free for 3 years and would have gone 4 years had I not been taken off the drug for my knee replacement and because I had been on that drug for that long i have been able to stay off from it now for over 4 years now. THANK YOU Big Farma. And thanks for your drug program for low income people and a opportunity to get my drugs free.

haley1 · #11 10/09/13, 09:49 PM

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Originally Posted by watcher

How many people do you meet everyday who would be dead w/o "big pharma"?

And does that make it OK for them to commit fraud, kill people with that lieing and fraud. Bribe doctors to prescribe their versions of drugs, etc etc etc

Tricky Grama · #12 10/10/13, 07:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Awnry Abe

Pharmaceutical sales reps have entered into the group of people that have an influential affect on your health care...

I was one for over 20 yrs. Depends on the co. Most are ethical. LOTS of guidelines to follow or you're fined & docs SHOULD know which ones are. Not allowed to promote a drug for different purposes than the FDA has said its ok for.

I sold betapace for v-tach. It was mostly used for a-fib but we didn't have approval for that so could NOT mention it! IF the doc said that's what he used it for, we could respond but we could NOT open the discussion.

PS-NEVER wore a short skirt & stilletto heels! Had strict biz wear guidelines.
Drug reps are required to have a college degree too, btw.

wharton · #13 10/10/13, 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Tricky Grama

PS-NEVER wore a short skirt & stilletto heels! Had strict biz wear guidelines.
Drug reps are required to have a college degree too, btw.

I have noticed that many group practices, particularly those associated with hospitals, are now posting "keep out" signs at their entrances, and they are specifically addressed to pharma reps. Not "you must have appointment", but more like, "pharma reps. must make an appointment to speak to the business office, and many not contact individual doctors". Interesting.

simi-steading · #14 10/10/13, 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by watcher

How many people do you meet everyday who would be dead w/o "big pharma"?

Probably not many more than Big Pharm kills..

watcher · #15 10/10/13, 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by haley1

And does that make it OK for them to commit fraud, kill people with that lieing and fraud. Bribe doctors to prescribe their versions of drugs, etc etc etc

You're the one who grouped them all in one batch. Would you rather have one or two cases like this or to have the entire industry shut down?

Tricky Grama · #16 10/11/13, 07:25 AM

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Originally Posted by wharton

I have noticed that many group practices, particularly those associated with hospitals, are now posting "keep out" signs at their entrances, and they are specifically addressed to pharma reps. Not "you must have appointment", but more like, "pharma reps. must make an appointment to speak to the business office, and many not contact individual doctors". Interesting.

So many reps abused the privilege of seeing the doc for just a couple minutes. Some would say they had breakthru news or some such lie. So it got to the point that app'ts had to be made and/or bring lunch to the office & get to speak w/doc while he ate. This required a pretty big budget, to take lunch to a lot of offices.

haley1 · #17 10/11/13, 09:00 AM

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Originally Posted by watcher

You're the one who grouped them all in one batch. Would you rather have one or two cases like this or to have the entire industry shut down?

So it is OK for them to do illegal /unethical things if it's good for the masses but kills a few? Sounds like the president talking. Which drug was that that caused 40,000 plus deaths from heart attacks that was pulled? There is too much fraud in pharmactial research as a lot of fines from FDA to show this.

Why can't they just do legal/ ethical business, that would save people with good drugs and not hurt people with bad drugs

wharton · #18 10/11/13, 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by watcher

You're the one who grouped them all in one batch. Would you rather have one or two cases like this or to have the entire industry shut down?

You lead a pretty shelter little existence if you think the balance is, "one or two cases" of fraud by the pharmaceutical industry, VS. shutting the industry down. First, the industry had more power than most of us can even conceptualize, so shutting them down isn't even a remote possibility. Second, they have no soul, and carefully weight every moved based on the almighty coin. As in, this proposed product will kill and/or injure X percentage of users, it will take X number of dollars to litigate the problem away, and we will have a long term revenue stream of X dollars as a result. You are just a statistic to them. You might benefit tremendously from their products, or you may suffer greatly. As long as the money keeps flowing, they couldn't give a rat's butt hair.

arabian knight · #19 10/11/13, 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by watcher

You're the one who grouped them all in one batch. Would you rather have one or two cases like this or to have the entire industry shut down?

ya what a thing to say shut them down. My goodness, so many lives have been not only saved but the long lives people are living now ALL THANKS to the Pharmaceutical Companies.
Sure some have reactions some people even have died from certain drugs, but drugs are not a exact science.
Heck I nearly died from a very bad reaction from a drug but I sure as heck am not going to condemn the entire industry because of it. Not everyone can tolerate certain drugs, that is Just A Fact Of Life.
Way more billions more are saved because of the drug companies. On a whole they have saved way more lives around the world, then a few that have had bad reactions. And that is sure better then not having ANY drugs around.
Wow how closed mined some are in this world, but then look who is now president of the USA. LOL

watcher · #20 10/11/13, 10:31 PM

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Originally Posted by wharton

You lead a pretty shelter little existence if you think the balance is, "one or two cases" of fraud by the pharmaceutical industry, VS. shutting the industry down.

As I said you lumped them all together. Which ones do you want to see shut down?

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YFirst, the industry had more power than most of us can even conceptualize, so shutting them down isn't even a remote possibility.

If you check you will see that the industry is completely and totally controlled by the government.

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YSecond, they have no soul, and carefully weight every moved based on the almighty coin. As in, this proposed product will kill and/or injure X percentage of users, it will take X number of dollars to litigate the problem away, and we will have a long term revenue stream of X dollars as a result. You are just a statistic to them. You might benefit tremendously from their products, or you may suffer greatly. As long as the money keeps flowing, they couldn't give a rat's butt hair.

That's the way life and medicine works. Just about every drug out there will kill and/or inure X percentage of its users. Every surgery will kill and/or inure X percentage of the people its performed on. Know anyone with heart problems who take Coumadin, Jantoven, Marevan, Lawarin, Waran, or Warfant? Do you know what it is? Its RAT POISON. Would you knowingly take rat poison? A lot of people do because big-pharma has shown taking it in the right doses can keep a lot of people alive.