Another case of a business being forced to offer services.

[paradox]

http://www.alliancedefendingfreedom....ne-Photography

This is just one of many cases. In this case they did not have to provide services but are being told to pay a fine of sorts for refusing service. But most of these cases ended in the business being forced to provide service against their will. While I understand the frustration that brought about these anti descrimination laws. I don't see that this is the answer.

There was a time that most businesses had a sign that said "we reserve the right to refuse service to anyone". Recently many businesses put up signs and refused to serve a political figure who had been behaving badly and people applauded. But I digress.

I guess the thing that really hits me wrong about this is that a business owner is being forced to perform a service it does not want to do. Setting all religious views aside (not that those are irrelevant because they are very very relevant.) To force a "free man" to perform a service against his will - Is this not some form of slavery?

What if a homosexual was asked to cater a Muslim event. Muslims believe that gay people should be killed. Must a gay person serve someone who believes he deserves death?

And secondly, in this particluar type of case, why on earth would you want a photographer, or baker, or dressmaker, etc who did not agree with your life choices taking care of your wedding? Why do you want to give them your money? Why do you not simply go to the photographer down the street who can celebrate and photograph your special day without any reservations as to its merit?

If you are offended at being turned away you can tell all your friends, post it all over social media, you can picket their business and do your best to drive customers away. Those are all things you have a RIGHT to do. But I do not believe you have the right to FORCE them to serve you.

[Tricky Grama]

I believe in the same tenets.
Wait til the Jewish deli is forced to serve ham sandwiches.
Or the muslim is forced to eat pork. Wait, that'll never happen.

[Ozarks Tom]

There seems to be no hesitancy to force demands on Christians, but great trepidation when it comes to gays, muslims, or other minorities who are treated as protected species by the media, courts, and politicians.

I guess the "turn the other cheek" doctrine is what they're counting on.

[rkintn]

So, the photographer's biggest mistake was giving a reason for not shooting the ceremony. Seems to me they could have just as easily said they were booked or on vacation or whatever for that time period and this could have all been avoided. Also, the photographer wasn't forced to go ahead with the shoot. She ended up having to pay penalties and lawyer fees to the complainant. It kinda seems a no brainer that refusing service to someone based on sexual orientation would be grounds for a lawsuit. Just like if she had refused service to them because of their race.

[Ozarks Tom]

I'm surprised she didn't counter sue them for trying to force her to abandon her religion.

[chickenmommy]

Originally Posted by rkintn

So, the photographer's biggest mistake was giving a reason for not shooting the ceremony. Seems to me they could have just as easily said they were booked or on vacation or whatever for that time period and this could have all been avoided. Also, the photographer wasn't forced to go ahead with the shoot. She ended up having to pay penalties and lawyer fees to the complainant. It kinda seems a no brainer that refusing service to someone based on sexual orientation would be grounds for a lawsuit. Just like if she had refused service to them because of their race.

Bingo! Unavailable for the sake of your religious beliefs is no ones business but your own when business is being negotiated. Simply unavailable on that date should suffice. People are stupid.

[plowjockey]

She's never taken a shot, of a non-believer?

They are scum, in "god's eyes" also.

Typical phony.

http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/sa...hristians.html

[farmrbrown]

If that were only true.
God does NOT view non believers as scum.
There but for the grace of God, go I.......

On a more relevant note, the court's opinion reminds me of what Forerunner has been saying about "citizenship".....


In other statements in the concurrence, Justice Richard C. Bosson wrote, “At its heart, this case teaches that at some point in our lives all of us must compromise, if only a little, to accommodate the contrasting values of others…. That compromise is part of the glue that holds us together as a nation, the tolerance that lubricates the varied moving parts of us as a people…. In short, I would say to the Huguenins, with the utmost respect: it is the price of citizenship.”




Perhaps it is time for many of us to reconsider this "price of citizenship" we are told we have to pay, and instead renounce it.
It seems I can more afford to be without it, than continue the cost of keeping it.

[Forerunner]

Being a US citizen has little to do with being an American, though that sentiment has been long buried.

Truth be, the original state republics were countries unto themselves, and taking "US citizenship" over state Citizenship may be considered treason.

Reference the "Slaughterhouse Cases" for the courts stand on the difference.

As an aside, religious freedom is waived upon accepting US citizenship, for the simple reason that US citizenship carries with it all the tenets of, and is recognized as a religion in and of itself. It requires faith, trust, allegiance, obedience and sacrifice.
It has it's gods, temples (the courts) and it's black robed priests, therein.

As you all well know, it fully expects you to dig deeply for your contributions to that religion of popular choice, and, as is typical with religions set up by and for Satan, himself.....there is no free will, and contributions are compulsory.


Choose you this day whom you will really serve, and prepare to live with the consequences if you choose the high road..

[Tabitha]

Originally Posted by chickenmommy

Bingo! Unavailable for the sake of your religious beliefs is no ones business but your own when business is being negotiated. Simply unavailable on that date should suffice. People are stupid.

Very true. But sometimes folks find out later what they are going to be about and retract. Maybe that was the case.