The Syrian gas attack

poppy · #1 08/22/13, 08:18 PM

I don't know how many have seen the pictures but they look really tragic, especially the children. But, are they real or more propaganda by the radical rebels? It's hard to know what to believe anymore. The people in the pictures don't really look dead if you look at their skin tone and one of them is even sweating. Islamists are great at fabricating photos. There are photos online how supposedly showing a Syrian man dead in the street. The problem is, there are 4 other photos of the same guy in the very same clothes lying dead in other positions and other locations.

plowjockey · #2 08/22/13, 09:12 PM

In a Civil war, where 100,000 are dead, 1.5 million have fled and death and carnage, are a daily occurrence, is seems to be a bit of a stretch, that they could\would fake such a somewhat elaborate production.

How did they get the young children to cry, gasp and have absolute looks of horror, on their faces, on cue? Were they burying mannequins?

IMO, if you are going to fire live artillery ordinance, at your own people, what difference does it make if you lob in a few gas shells?

It's not like there are scruples involved here.

poppy · #3 08/22/13, 09:19 PM

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Originally Posted by plowjockey

It's not like there are scruples involved here.

That is true on both sides. What did Assad have to gain by doing this? He had to know it would turn the world further against him and invite more foreign intervention at a time when reports say his forces are making gains against the rebels. OTOH, radical Islamists have shown no hesitation in killing other Muslims if it suits their purpose and that purpose could be to invite more foreign intervention on their side.

7thswan · #4 08/23/13, 07:23 AM

Have you heard how many Churches are being burned? Christians being murdered ,raped...

farmrbrown · #5 08/23/13, 08:23 AM

We WON'T hear it from our press.

poppy · #6 08/23/13, 08:27 AM

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Have you heard how many Churches are being burned? Christians being murdered ,raped...

And Obama wants those who are doing the murdering and raping to have a say in how the country is governed and punishing those trying to stop them.

Pugnacious · #7 08/23/13, 08:32 AM

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Originally Posted by plowjockey

In a Civil war, where 100,000 are dead, 1.5 million have fled and death and carnage, are a daily occurrence, is seems to be a bit of a stretch, that they could\would fake such a somewhat elaborate production.

How did they get the young children to cry, gasp and have absolute looks of horror, on their faces, on cue? Were they burying mannequins?

IMO, if you are going to fire live artillery ordinance, at your own people, what difference does it make if you lob in a few gas shells?

It's not like there are scruples involved here.

How come Obama said that chemical weapons would be "crossing a red line" and yet he does nothing? His impotent rage is baffling. I'm not saying I support another conflict but I AM saying if you're going to make a bold statement like that you ought to follow through. You have nothing if you don't have integrity..........

poppy · #8 08/23/13, 08:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Pugnacious

How come Obama said that chemical weapons would be "crossing a red line" and yet he does nothing? His impotent rage is baffling. I'm not saying I support another conflict but I AM saying if you're going to make a bold statement like that you ought to follow through. You have nothing if you don't have integrity..........

At this point does anyone still believe Obama has any integrity at all? He is and always has been an empty suit. He delights in giving grand pronouncements to show people he is in charge but unless they involve skirting Congress or breaking our laws, he is lying.

Wolf mom · #9 08/23/13, 09:26 AM

http://freebeacon.com/ambassador-to-...syria-meeting/

The title says it all.

Now Obama can say he knows nothing about this 'cause Powers, our UN Ambassador, never made it to the meeting - even though we wanted the meeting!!???

Unbelievable! - no, just more of the same with this administration.

farmrbrown · #10 08/23/13, 10:55 AM

So much for the "never let a crisis go to waste" tactic, lol.

watcher · #11 08/23/13, 11:45 AM

I don't get it.

Is it worse to die in a few minutes in a gas attack or to linger for days after an artillery round has blown chunks of dirt/wood/concrete/etc into your guts?

If someone was in the process of beating one of your loved ones to death would you not spray HCL in their face to stop the attack?

plowjockey · #12 08/23/13, 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Pugnacious

How come Obama said that chemical weapons would be "crossing a red line" and yet he does nothing? His impotent rage is baffling. I'm not saying I support another conflict but I AM saying if you're going to make a bold statement like that you ought to follow through. You have nothing if you don't have integrity..........

What do you want him to do?

farmrbrown · #13 08/23/13, 03:18 PM

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What do you want him to do?

You know, that question is so easy to answer, and has been answered by a few military experts already, I'm amazed it is still being asked.

watcher · #14 08/23/13, 03:42 PM

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What do you want him to do?

Sell our old obsolete weapons to both sides. The longer we can keep them killing each other the longer it will be before they turn on us. Plus there will be fewer of them.

Doesn't matter who you back nor who wins they are still our enemy after this fight is over. Same thing I told people during the Iran-Iraq war.

plowjockey · #15 08/23/13, 03:50 PM

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You know, that question is so easy to answer, and has been answered by a few military experts already, I'm amazed it is still being asked.

Most people in discussion, don't really go for guessing games.

What do the "military experts", give as the proper (an real) solution to a civil war, where one side is just as bad (or worse) than the other?

plowjockey · #16 08/23/13, 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by watcher

Sell our old obsolete weapons to both sides. The longer we can keep them killing each other the longer it will be before they turn on us. Plus there will be fewer of them.

Doesn't matter who you back nor who wins they are still our enemy after this fight is over. Same thing I told people during the Iran-Iraq war.

The real answer is, there is nothing Obama can do, that will actually work.

We can invade and beat everyone in to submission - temporarily, just like Iraq and 1/2 of Afghanistan.

But just like those two fiasco's, the bad guys - which is nearly everybody, will just play the waiting game and use terror tactics - to drive the current invaders (the U.S. this time) off, a method that has worked well, for several thousand years.

Hollowdweller · #17 08/23/13, 05:15 PM

In my mind as long as all those guys over there are fighting each other, that gives them less time to plan attacks and hate on the USA.

The biggest mistake the US made in Iraq was not pulling out and letting Iran go in and try to police the place. Would have kept them bogged down.

#1 thing we should be doing is pulling troops out from the middle east and investing the money in alternative energy and conservation and anti terrorisim.

coolrunnin · #18 08/23/13, 05:17 PM

I really dont think we should get involved in Syria and who would we support? both factions don't appear to have any of our values.

farmrbrown · #19 08/23/13, 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by plowjockey

Most people in discussion, don't really go for guessing games.

What do the "military experts", give as the proper (an real) solution to a civil war, where one side is just as bad (or worse) than the other?

You didn't ask for a "solution" and as there isn't one in the Middle East, I won't be offering one either.
You asked, "What do you want him (Obama) to do?".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cruise_missile
I said it was simple and already discussed before.
It's called a cruise missile, my vote would be right on top of Assad's head.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/08/23/wo...anted=all&_r=0

Senior officials from the Pentagon, the State Department and the intelligence agencies met for three and a half hours at the White House on Thursday to deliberate over options, which officials say could range from a cruise missile strike to a more sustained air campaign against Syria.

farmrbrown · #20 08/23/13, 05:54 PM

Now, can I guess the next question?
Probably, lemme give it a shot.

"Well after the cruise missile attack, THEN what are we supposed to do?"
(Pretty close, huh?)

I guess I would have a weenie roast, and marshmellows. You know, a little something for the troops for a job well done. Then I'd turn that ship around, head for a nice Mediterranean port for a little R and R (and to make sure I didn't have to fire another round into him again) and then head back across the pond home.
How's that?