Washington's Latest Special Favor

[ninny]

Of 143 refineries, one is exempt.

"This matters because for refineries to stuff ballooning amounts of ethanol into a static gas pool, they must blend it at levels of more than 10%. Since the nation's auto makers have declared they will void the warranties of cars using gas with more than 10% ethanol, refineries face lawsuits. Most have instead turned to buying federal renewable "credits" to make up for the ethanol they don't blend."

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3053274/posts

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[Johnny Dolittle]

Ethanol kills brain cells .... which is why we have these environmental laws !!!

[Ozarks Tom]

The EPA is a malignant tumor that needs to be cut out of the body politic. They served a purpose originally, but over the years has morphed into The Sierra Club on steroids.

There is no scientific reason to be burning food in our cars.

[plowjockey]

Sounds like the EPA is at least trying to be more fair.

This notice also acknowledges that there are constraints in the market’s ability to
consume renewable fuels at the volumes specified in the Clean Air Act in future
years, and states that the EPA anticipates proposing adjustments to the 2014 volume
requirements in the 2014 rule to address these constraints

http://www.epa.gov/otaq/fuels/renewa.../420f13042.pdf

[plowjockey]

Originally Posted by Ozarks Tom

The EPA is a malignant tumor that needs to be cut out of the body politic. They served a purpose originally, but over the years has morphed into The Sierra Club on steroids.

There is no scientific reason to be burning food in our cars.

I hope we don't think, that the farm lobby, does not have a hand in all of this, also.

[Riverdale]

Originally Posted by Ozarks Tom

The EPA is a malignant tumor that needs to be cut out of the body politic. They served a purpose originally, but over the years has morphed into The Sierra Club on steroids.

There is no scientific reason to be burning food in our cars.

Tom, one of the best tonnage and least expensive plant materials for making ethanol is switchgrass.

If I had the werewithall (and the property) to make my own ethanol for my personal vehichles, I sure would.

But then again, both my vehicles are 'way' beyond warrenty

[Ozarks Tom]

As far as I can tell, the whole ethanol program is a scam to enrich the politically connected distillers. Between subsidies and tax credits, they're cleaning up. Our Congresscritters have legislated them an ever expanding marketplace completely as our expense. The farm lobby loves it, but they're not the ones getting the most benefit from it.

It's been proven it takes more energy to produce ethanol from corn than it produces. It negatively affects the economy, and pushes food prices up worldwide. It's corrosive, and not compatible with standard seals/gasket/hoses. The shelf life considerably inhibits long term storage without expensive additives, and produces less horsepower/mileage.

Other than that, it's great stuff.

[plowjockey]

Originally Posted by Ozarks Tom

The farm lobby loves it, but they're not the ones getting the most benefit from it.


Other than that, it's great stuff.

Since 45% of the U.S corn crop(4.5 billion bushels)s goes to ethanol, if farmers are not getting the most benefit, who is? Corn is still $6 around here.

The EPA loves ethanol because it burns cleaner than gasoline and it's made using natural gas.

I agree with all of the the downsides.

[MO_cows]

Originally Posted by Riverdale

Tom, one of the best tonnage and least expensive plant materials for making ethanol is switchgrass.

If I had the werewithall (and the property) to make my own ethanol for my personal vehichles, I sure would.

But then again, both my vehicles are 'way' beyond warrenty

A gentlemen who bought some of our cattle was talking about this. He was in the running for a contract to grow switchgrass for a new bio diesel plant in the works.

[Wolf mom]

And here I thought Washington's special favor was Bo (the first dog) being flown on vacation in his own plane.

[Ozarks Tom]

Originally Posted by plowjockey

Since 45% of the U.S corn crop(4.5 billion bushels)s goes to ethanol, if farmers are not getting the most benefit, who is? Corn is still $6 around here.

The EPA loves ethanol because it burns cleaner than gasoline and it's made using natural gas.

I agree with all of the the downsides.

When you consider how many farmers benefit vs how many distillers there are, the individual farmer is getting a pittance compared to the distillers.

[Dahc]

I'm gonna have to vote down the auto-makers on this one. The only reason they'll void those warantees is because they don't want to stop making car parts out of plastics. If your engine is 100% metal, it will last too long. Coincidentally, it would also run off of 100% ethanol, moonshine, many other forms of alcohol, etc...etc...etc...

[beowoulf90]

Originally Posted by Dahc

I'm gonna have to vote down the auto-makers on this one. The only reason they'll void those warantees is because they don't want to stop making car parts out of plastics. If your engine is 100% metal, it will last too long. Coincidentally, it would also run off of 100% ethanol, moonshine, many other forms of alcohol, etc...etc...etc...

But the down side of what you say is that the cost of the new cars will sky rocket.. You think new cars are expensive now, just wait till they have to remove the plastics and other lighter materials.. If they become all metal again, fuel mileage suffers from the weight and costs to build go up.. Remember UAW workers get paid handsomely for production work, just imagine more hours to make a vehicle..

So while I don't particularly care for the auto makers or their overpriced Unions, I also don't see a reason that they should have to warranty their vehicles for use of a product they don't like/has a negative effect on their product..

I do have a problem with the EPA and their Thug tactics and with Government Regulations on the auto industry in general, but that is another topic and open for discussion at another time...