Obama does not play well with others

where I want to · #1 01/17/13, 01:20 PM

Our Consitution is designed for cooperation between the legislature and the execturive branches. It was designed to be somewhat difficult for one to override the other. After a honeymoon period, most Presidents have found that their agneda was not guaranteed.

This is the first time that I can remember where the heels are so far dug in that it has gone from doing little or nothing to being willing to actually do harm rather than give way an inch.

The press and the Democrats blame the Republicans without reserve but I think that Obama's attitude is responsible for much of it. He constantly is "drawing a line in the sand" and trying to appeal to the public to push Congress to do what he can't. It's made a part of Congress not want to work with him ever on things that could be achieved.

The bottom line is that it is his job to work with Congress to get what he wants, no matter how painful they can be. And he has been a spectacular failure at it.

7thswan · #2 01/17/13, 02:15 PM

If one wants to understand you Must look into Obamas Past. He was abandoned,first by his Father,then his Mother,then his Grandparents that were Communists,dumped him on a self confessed pedophile communist ,which became his mentor. There is even evidance that he was preyed upon by this pedophile. In his own book he mentioned that he found his Birth Certificate, I belive this is when he found out that he had been lied to about where he was born. He had to leave one country for another time after time. I belive he grew up with major personality disorders,namely,he's a socipath and is a megalomanic. I don't belive he is able to feel empathy. His life is so filled with disconnect, unstability, lies, ect. that he has used people, their feelings and is a master of manipulateing. Obama is a person to be feared.

HDRider · #3 01/17/13, 02:50 PM

He scares the heck out of me.

simi-steading · #4 01/17/13, 02:56 PM

He's only to be feared because of the position he managed to put himself into..

Drop him in a bar room brawl, and I bet the 5 foot 110lb waitress could take him...

I agree, it's his past that caused the monster we have.. .Once he got into a position that gave him power, I feel he's using it to make up for what he couldn't control in his earlier life..

Narshalla · #5 01/17/13, 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by where I want to

Our Constitution is designed for cooperation between the legislature and the executive branches. It was designed to be somewhat difficult for one to override the other. After a honeymoon period, most Presidents have found that their agenda was not guaranteed.

This is the first time that I can remember where the heels are so far dug in that it has gone from doing little or nothing to being willing to actually do harm rather than give way an inch.

The press and the Democrats blame the Republicans without reserve but I think that Obama's attitude is responsible for much of it. He constantly is "drawing a line in the sand" and trying to appeal to the public to push Congress to do what he can't. It's made a part of Congress not want to work with him ever on things that could be achieved.

The bottom line is that it is his job to work with Congress to get what he wants, no matter how painful they can be. And he has been a spectacular failure at it.

Respectfully, every POTUS has done this. Obama is not even the slightest bit unique in this matter.

However, I think that Obama is unique in that he appears for be tone-deaf, for want of a better phrase, to what many Congressman's constituents want. Most Congressmen who oppose/agree with Obama are doing so either because they are party faithfuls or because their constituents disagree with Obama. Either way, they are doing what they think is better, either for the country or for themselves, and Obama . . . doesn't appear to understand this.

I don't think that Bush43 had this problem. Sure, there was a tsunami of criticism of Bush43, but no matter how much Dems in Congress said they disagreed with him, they still voted for just about everything, including the tax cuts, the Patriot Act, Iraq, and Afghanistan. And they were obviously listening to and giving their constituents what they wanted because they kept getting re-elected.

Clinton was the same way -- yes, he appealed to the American people, and sometimes the Reps went along with him, like the AWB in 94. Later that year, there was an election, and how many of those who voted for the AWB got voted out of office? A bunch! Which clearly showed them (and Clinton) that they had misread the will of the people, and Clinton took it in good humor, just like he took everything.

But not Obama. When the constituents call and tell their Congressmen what they want, and the individual Congressmen listen, Obama doesn't react the same way Bush43 or Clinton or any other POTUS did.

I don't know if he doesn't hear when people don't agree with his agenda, or just doesn't care, but he charges ahead with whatever he thinks is best at the time.

Now, granted, he's hardly the only POTUS to do this, but right now, he's POTUS, so naturally, he's the one we're going to talk about.

Trixie · #6 01/17/13, 04:42 PM

I believe he plays very well with - or for - those who put him in place - or he wouldn't be there.

Just my opinion, but I don't believe 'he put himself into'. He was put there by the same that have put all others in place. That's also why so much of his agenda is going to be passed.

I don't think it has much ever to do with the constituents - except those constituents who can write a hefty - really hefty - check.

They keep getting elected, because the money people want them to get elected. Right now, there is a pretense of the electorate having some say, but that's just what it is. The people are so evenly and completely divided along some mythical party line, they only have to be concerned about a very few people.

While I believe the Patriot Act, the wars, would have been done no matter 99% of the country was against them.

The only reason to speak about others is to attempt people to look really well at the fact the others did the same thing - regardless of party. If we look at the results, we will realize it makes no difference - regardless of party. Maybe then, we can stop deluding ourselves that any one side is 'good'. Actually I think most people realize that, but the question is where do you go, if not along with one or the other, of the choices they give us.

MJsLady · #7 01/17/13, 05:35 PM

No not every potus has blatantly stated he WON there for they HAD to work with him.
He doesn't out rank Congress he just thinks he does.

big rockpile · #8 01/17/13, 08:23 PM

Why hasn't any group in power stood up to him in a very blunt in your face kind of way?

big rockpile

EDDIE BUCK · #9 01/18/13, 12:26 AM

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Originally Posted by 7thswan

If one wants to understand you Must look into Obamas Past. He was abandoned,first by his Father,then his Mother,then his Grandparents that were Communists,dumped him on a self confessed pedophile communist ,which became his mentor. There is even evidance that he was preyed upon by this pedophile. In his own book he mentioned that he found his Birth Certificate, I belive this is when he found out that he had been lied to about where he was born. He had to leave one country for another time after time. I belive he grew up with major personality disorders,namely,he's a socipath and is a megalomanic. I don't belive he is able to feel empathy. His life is so filled with disconnect, unstability, lies, ect. that he has used people, their feelings and is a master of manipulateing. Obama is a person to be feared.

I agree,but they don't want to look back quite that far.To do so would make them see reality, and the huge part they played, and are playing in this fraudulent presidency, and the destruction of the greatest nation on earth, because of such.Plus they would probably have to break every mirror in their house or turn them facing the wall.

Not playing well with others' kinda makes it tuff to get your way when you are the Prez .The thing is, he doesn't see himself as the President, but as a King.

All those trips he made and was bowing to Kings, Queens and foreign leaders around the world ,went to his head and now he thinks our lawmakers at least should bow to him, and grant him his wishes.

In other words,he's not seeing the up coming inauguration as such, but a crowning for the second time,with all the people rejoicing and chanting Hail to the King.

I might chant it, but it will be misspelled,and the word "with" added

HDRider · #10 01/18/13, 06:58 AM

We ain't seen nothing yet. The guy will be a real dicktator in term 2.

Be afraid, be very afraid.

http://www.nationaljournal.com/white...-term-20130116

From the article

The wide-ranging proposals on gun control that Barack Obama is expected to announce tomorrow (Jan. 16) symbolize the change in attitude accompanying his second presidential term.

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jwal10 · #11 01/18/13, 08:18 AM

Spoiled little rich kid mentality, never worked a real job a day in his life. No life experience to fall back on. All his mentors were very "Left of left". He feels he is owed respect, has done nothing to earn ANY....James

Ozarks Tom · #12 01/19/13, 08:31 AM

If there's one thing we have more than enough of in this country it's laws. I really like the fact our politicians can't agree. Typical pandering, and looking like they're doing something productive costs us all.

I'd prefer they worked 3 months a year, and went home where we could beat on them for their stupidity.

where I want to · #13 01/19/13, 11:43 AM

Kennedy dazzled politicians to get his way, Johnson was an old hand at wheeling and dealing plus a bit of the the stick, Carter just thought people would do good if he told them what it was, Nixon - well Nixon was an real anomaly, Clinton was flexible as heck ( no rude remarks,) etc etc etc. Each succesful President had a way of combining bullying and negotiating to get some part of what he wanted through Congress.
One of my really strong objections to Obama is that he seems to go almost immediately to bullying in a public way that makes it impossible for his opponents to work with him.