What are "Reasonable Gun Laws" re Pistol Magagazines.

[Rakkasan]

I will state right off of the bat, that I am a social democrat. Take that as you will.

When I think of pistols, I think back to the Model M1911. That is the pistol that first brought us out of the stone age, and into the modern world.

The 9mm brought us into the 21st century. High capacity clips became an obsession for all non-revolvers. So we widened the grips, and kept jamming more rounds into clips to keep up with demand. But it was a superficial demand.

We wanted more rounds because we thought that more rounds meant more hits on target.

To anyone who actually practices shooting, this isn't the case. To anyone who has been in an actual firefight, this is even more ludicrous.

If push came to shove, I'll take on anyone with my Python... Because It wouldn't take me more than 3 rounds to kill you, and I hope that would be the same way coming back. Skill and luck, but not more than 3 rounds.

So when we talk about "High Capacity Clips", just about any number they through out there is crap. To be frank, this is a negotiation. They know that 7 is a stupid number for a pistol. They want to compromise to 10 in the clip, and one in the pipe.

Me, I can live with that. If it makes them feel better.

[Sawmill Jim]

Originally Posted by Rakkasan

I will state right off of the bat, that I am a social democrat. Take that as you will.

When I think of pistols, I think back to the Model M1911. That is the pistol that first brought us out of the stone age, and into the modern world.

The 9mm brought us into the 21st century. High capacity clips became an obsession for all non-revolvers. So we widened the grips, and kept jamming more rounds into clips to keep up with demand. But it was a superficial demand.

We wanted more rounds because we thought that more rounds meant more hits on target.

To anyone who actually practices shooting, this isn't the case. To anyone who has been in an actual firefight, this is even more ludicrous.

If push came to shove, I'll take on anyone with my Python... Because It wouldn't take me more than 3 rounds to kill you, and I hope that would be the same way coming back. Skill and luck, but not more than 3 rounds.

So when we talk about "High Capacity Clips", just about any number they through out there is crap. To be frank, this is a negotiation. They know that 7 is a stupid number for a pistol. They want to compromise to 10 in the clip, and one in the pipe.

Me, I can live with that. If it makes them feel better.

Thank God most including my wife knows better than that post
Most experts know the difference in clip and magazine also if revolvers were so great they would still be using them . Are you a city dude non shooter

[seedspreader]

So, you're ok with 7 too then, right?

[Sawmill Jim]

Originally Posted by seedspreader

So, you're ok with 7 too then, right?

He likes six why should you have more

[simi-steading]

Um.. yeah.. ok...

Believe it or not, I'd be OK if I was in NY because I carry a 1911.... but I also ain't limited to just 7 rounds... So far, I'm not hearing them say you can't carry 15 mags...

But that is neither here nor there.. it's the simple fact we're being infringed upon with the final hoped results being us completely disarmed..

You should read the bill.. I've started on it... They even state how they are the first state to pass a new tough gun law after the shooting.. Yeah.. something to be real proud of...

[Jpchar]

The argument is not about how many bullets in the gun, but us not having guns at all. If you have not figured that one out by now, you won't until they take your Python because it is a threat to them.

[Allen W]

We already have passed unreasonable as far as gun laws are concerened.

[seedspreader]

Originally Posted by simi-steading

Um.. yeah.. ok...

Believe it or not, I'd be OK if I was in NY because I carry a 1911.... but I also ain't limited to just 7 rounds... So far, I'm not hearing them say you can't carry 15 mags...

But that is neither here nor there.. it's the simple fact we're being infringed upon with the final hoped results being us completely disarmed..

You should read the bill.. I've started on it... They even state how they are the first state to pass a new tough gun law after the shooting.. Yeah.. something to be real proud of...

Uh... no... no... you can't OWN assault pistols now. (that's what the semi-auto pistols are being called. 10 was already the legal limit in NY previous to this.

[poppy]

Originally Posted by Rakkasan

I will state right off of the bat, that I am a social democrat. Take that as you will.

When I think of pistols, I think back to the Model M1911. That is the pistol that first brought us out of the stone age, and into the modern world.

The 9mm brought us into the 21st century. High capacity clips became an obsession for all non-revolvers. So we widened the grips, and kept jamming more rounds into clips to keep up with demand. But it was a superficial demand.

We wanted more rounds because we thought that more rounds meant more hits on target.

To anyone who actually practices shooting, this isn't the case. To anyone who has been in an actual firefight, this is even more ludicrous.

If push came to shove, I'll take on anyone with my Python... Because It wouldn't take me more than 3 rounds to kill you, and I hope that would be the same way coming back. Skill and luck, but not more than 3 rounds.

So when we talk about "High Capacity Clips", just about any number they through out there is crap. To be frank, this is a negotiation. They know that 7 is a stupid number for a pistol. They want to compromise to 10 in the clip, and one in the pipe.

Me, I can live with that. If it makes them feel better.

What if 5 thugs attack you and you only have 6 rounds in your Python? A reasonable number of rounds should depend on whatever the shooter considers reasonable.

[simi-steading]

Originally Posted by seedspreader

Uh... no... no... you can't OWN assault pistols now. (that's what the semi-auto pistols are being called. 10 was already the legal limit in NY previous to this.

I'm betting the color black is one of the "military features" making them nasty assault pistols...

I say we take a page from Joe Arpaio's book and paint them pink... That way the crooks wouldn't want to be seen with them, and you know only a legal gun owner would have one since pink is the new legal color...

[zant]

I still have really evil 33rd Glock mags for trade PM me...

[Bearfootfarm]

We wanted more rounds because we thought that more rounds meant more hits on target.

To anyone who actually practices shooting, this isn't the case. To anyone who has been in an actual firefight, this is even more ludicrous.

What's truly ludicrous is the idea that anyone can dictate how many rounds I load in my gun as long as I'm not shooting PEOPLE.

NY has effectively outlawed ALL the main handguns in the state, and made the majority of magazines illegal

[FourDeuce]

"Me, I can live with that. If it makes them feel better."

I'm not interested in "making them feel better". If they worry about guns or how many rounds they hold, they should see a therapist to feel better , since the problem is in THEIR minds, not my magazines.

[bjba]

Originally Posted by Rakkasan

I will state right off of the bat, that I am a social democrat. Take that as you will.

When I think of pistols, I think back to the Model M1911. That is the pistol that first brought us out of the stone age, and into the modern world.

The 9mm brought us into the 21st century. High capacity clips became an obsession for all non-revolvers. So we widened the grips, and kept jamming more rounds into clips to keep up with demand. But it was a superficial demand.

We wanted more rounds because we thought that more rounds meant more hits on target.

To anyone who actually practices shooting, this isn't the case. To anyone who has been in an actual firefight, this is even more ludicrous.

If push came to shove, I'll take on anyone with my Python... Because It wouldn't take me more than 3 rounds to kill you, and I hope that would be the same way coming back. Skill and luck, but not more than 3 rounds.

So when we talk about "High Capacity Clips", just about any number they through out there is crap. To be frank, this is a negotiation. They know that 7 is a stupid number for a pistol. They want to compromise to 10 in the clip, and one in the pipe.

Me, I can live with that. If it makes them feel better.

I see you have greater knowledge than the police departments and militarys of the world. How many of the worlds militarys use revolvers how many police departments? How many of either issue small magazines for their side arms?

[Old Vet]

The people in NY cant be trusted with more than 7 shots.The legislature has spoken of that. Even with the restrictive gun laws on the books. It is knowen that the people in NY are so irresponsible as to shoot anything they have a slight disagreement with. It must be the weather but in the south we are so layed back that we will not shoot at most reasonable people.But when some NY people come down they will make us want to shoot back on principles.

[zito]

Originally Posted by Rakkasan

I will state right off of the bat, that I am a social democrat. Take that as you will.

When I think of pistols, I think back to the Model M1911. That is the pistol that first brought us out of the stone age, and into the modern world.

The 9mm brought us into the 21st century. High capacity clips became an obsession for all non-revolvers. So we widened the grips, and kept jamming more rounds into clips to keep up with demand. But it was a superficial demand.

We wanted more rounds because we thought that more rounds meant more hits on target.

To anyone who actually practices shooting, this isn't the case. To anyone who has been in an actual firefight, this is even more ludicrous.

If push came to shove, I'll take on anyone with my Python... Because It wouldn't take me more than 3 rounds to kill you, and I hope that would be the same way coming back. Skill and luck, but not more than 3 rounds.

So when we talk about "High Capacity Clips", just about any number they through out there is crap. To be frank, this is a negotiation. They know that 7 is a stupid number for a pistol. They want to compromise to 10 in the clip, and one in the pipe.

Me, I can live with that. If it makes them feel better.

Not sure how much "firefight" experience you may have, but a number of examinations of the facts after shoot outs, have shown different. Trained shooters, such as military and police, including SWAT teams, have kept shooting until the firearm was empty. This has included shooters previously involved in shoot outs. Not so much of this "3 shots" magic

[Old Vet]

Originally Posted by zito

Not sure how much "firefight" experience you may have, but a number of examinations of the facts after shoot outs, have shown different. Trained shooters, such as military and police, including SWAT teams, have kept shooting until the firearm was empty. This has included shooters previously involved in shoot outs. Not so much of this "3 shots" magic

All you need is a double tap on the target if it is made of paper.It may get hard to shoot well when somebody is shooting at you if you are not in front of the TV or in a movie.

[Home Harvest]

I believe Massad Ayoob covered this best. I'll let him explain:

The cops are the experts on the current criminal trends. If they have determined that a “high capacity” semiautomatic pistol and a .223 semiautomatic rifle with 30-round magazines are the best firearms for them to use to protect people like me and my family, they are obviously the best things for us to use to protect ourselves and our families .
http://backwoodshome.com/blogs/Massa...azines-part-i/

My family and I can LIVE with that! (pun absolutely intended)

[AngieM2]

the OP is a military vet. He may know more than what you think.
Not that I agree or disagree, but he's not someone that has no experience with firearms.

[beowoulf90]

Originally Posted by AngieM2

the OP is a military vet. He may know more than what you think.
Not that I agree or disagree, but he's not someone that has no experience with firearms.

As are many of us!

That doesn't change the fact that some will give up their freedoms without so much as a whimper. While those like myself will fight to the bitter end..