Is This Entrapment?

[big rockpile]

Ok a Guy on another Forum posted some people set him up to do something illegal,which he thought was Legal.Well a LEO gets on there trying to get the Guy to set him up with the Guys he was dealing with.

The Guy gets back with the LEO but tells him over the Forum it may be illegal but would set him up.

Question can people be this stupid and would this be considered Entrapment?

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[naturelover]

Yes. It's entrapment on the parts of ALL the people concerned.

The people who originally set up the guy who posted were entrappers who entrapped him.

He entrapped himself by posting about it on a forum.

He will entrap the other people if he sets up the LEO with them and he will also entrap himself if he sets up the LEO with the people who originally entrapped him.

It's a no win situation for everybody including the LEO because if the LEO is a good cop he is duty bound to investigate the incident by any measure and can't ignore it, and the guy who posted was stupid for posting about it on a forum and stupid for allowing himself to be entrapped by the people who originally entrapped him.

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[whodunit]

I don't understand the OP, but entrapment is basically setting someone up and then encouraging them to commit a crime.

For instance an undercover officer posing as a bad guy then pointing out to an actual bad guy that someone's house is unlocked and suggesting they burglarize it. Then arresting the person when they do so is entrapment.

It is not merely creating an opportunity for a criminal to commit a crime.

For instance, merely leaving a car unlocked with a purse in the seat and seeing what happens is not entrapment.

Or an officer simply posing as a hooker then WAITING for someone to solicit them is not entrapment. Now if another officer tells a "John", "Hey let's split the tab on that gal" (the officer posing as a hooker), then it's entrapment.

Basically COERCING someone into a committing a crime versus just presenting them an opportunity with no encouragement is the difference.

[DYngbld]

@ naturelover ---- Ouch my head hurts.

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Originally Posted by whodunit

I don't understand the OP, but entrapment is basically setting someone up and then encouraging them to commit a crime.

For instance an undercover officer posing as a bad guy then pointing out to an actual bad guy that someone's house is unlocked and suggesting they burglarize it. Then arresting the person when they do so is entrapment.

It is not merely creating an opportunity for a criminal to commit a crime.

For instance, merely leaving a car unlocked with a purse in the seat and seeing what happens is not entrapment.

Or an officer simply posing as a hooker then WAITING for someone to solicit them is not entrapment. Now if another officer tells a "John", "Hey let's split the tab on that gal" (the officer posing as a hooker), then it's entrapment.

Basically COERCING someone into a committing a crime versus just presenting them an opportunity with no encouragement is the difference.

Well I had an Undercover LEO try to get me to cook Meth for him,telling me how he already had Buyers.I told him I was already having enough trouble didn't need to get caught doing this.Well he disappeared and about couple dozen in the area got busted.

In OP this Guy didn't realize what he was doing was Illegal but was told it was,now he acts like he isn't sure but going to do it anyway.The LEO is just really wanting the people that is setting this Guy up because they are doing the same with People across the U.S.

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[ELOCN]

Okay, I'm ignorant. What is an LEO?

[haypoint]

I know of two clear cases of entrapment and one of them th charges were reduced and the other the guy went to prison.
A guy went through a divorce and they split up a bunch of properties. He collected rent on ex-wife's rental. He said it was a mistake and paid her. But she pushed it through court and he got a big fine. He thought the cops and court were crooked and someone will make them pay, someday. He also runs a excavation business and he had a ton of Ammonium Nitrate and fuel oil mixed. He hired a guy to help him move it, seemed fishy, so he told police. They put a wire on him and he tried to get the guy to say he was going to blow something up. The guy is a windbag, but wouldn't say what they were trying to get him to say. The guy tried for days. Still they charged him, then reduced it to some licensing violation.

Another case a guy was a hot head and had gotten a few speeding tickets. He told a friend that the cop isn't going to get away threatening him. The informant tried for weeks to get him to make a threat. Finally the guy said that he knew how to make a pipe bomb and that would take care of that cop. With more days of baiting, Tom made a pipe bomb and threw it out of the car window when he drove by the cop's house. Reading the transcripts, you can see how the informant was encouraging him to do it. The cop didn't hear the pipe bomb go off, but when the informant told them what Tom had said, they checked the yard and found the pieces. Tom went to prison for over 5 years.

[arabian knight]

Originally Posted by ELOCN

Okay, I'm ignorant. What is an LEO?

Law Enforcement Officier COP