Have I Missed More on Zimmerman ??

[Helena]

Have I missed any more news or comments on this forum about Zimmerman and the death of the young man ?? Seemed like last week when everyone thought that Zimmerman outright murdered this young man everyone was talking and judging. Now that more has been revealed that possibly Zimmerman was attacked when returning to his car and his life was at risk by this young man. Also, this young man was in a neighborhood that was a gated community late at night for no apparent reason. No.it's not against the law to be walking around at night but at age 17 young people should be out of the rain, out of a private neighborhood and not running away when people ask them to stop and be at home. I know..some will say I am now judging...but I I think there is more coming out about this sad story.

[Old Vet]

Now all we can do is to wait until the trial to see if he is innocent or guilty.

[Darren]

I'm sure if there's any more on Zimmerman, it will be served up very quickly on HT. After the networks got caught lying and embellishing, things seem to have settled down except for the race baiters still running around the country. Some pro-Trayvon demonstrations are still occurring. Until something else strikes the media's fancy, it seems the big headlines have ended.

The latest move by Zimmerman's lawyer is seeking the recusal of the judge assigned to the case. I'm not sure what the conflict is.

Groups of young Black male activists seem to have taken up Trayvon's name in the cause of economic redistribution based on stories of muggings that have occurred.

[Sawmill Jim]

Originally Posted by Old Vet

Now all we can do is to wait until the trial to see if he is innocent or guilty.

I thought O and the press done convicted him That guy couldn't get a fare trial if they moved it to Mars

[Ohio Rusty]

Things seem to have settled down in the media. I did miss the recent talk about guns by Bill Cosby concerning this case. Handguns and CCW have surfaced again as a hot topic.

I have a feeling whether it was self defense or what ... Zimmerman will not be found innocent of anything by the court system. The courts and TPTB know that if he is found innocent, this country will implode and there will be a race war that will make the Rodney King incident look like a peace march. The riots and unrest will happen in every major city this time, not just in L.A.

I work near Columbus Ohio ..... Columbus is a town where there is alot of racism, bigotry and general dislike for others. There is no such thing here as 'Brotherly Love'. There have been three hate incidents concerning the spraypainting of racial slurs on buildings in the last two weeks. Those are just the ones that made the news. In the bathrooms on the campus where I work, racial slurs and hate messages are always on the bathroom stall walls. They get erased and appear overnight again everywhere. Columbus is a powder keg, and a not guilty verdict of Zimmerman will light a fuse here ..... I guarantee I'll have to carry protection while travelling to and from work as I can be sure I'll have to fight my way thru town, thru the violence just to get back home alive. If I ever thought I would need to shoot to protect my life, a not guilty of Zimmerman will see to that ......

Ohio Rusty ><>

[Darren]

It's going to be interesting to see how the race baiters keep up the drumbeat for a lynching when the trial may not happen for a long as a year. At best all Corey can hope for is a hung jury with the BS she pulled.

I agree anyone going near some large cities or to some state fairs need to rethink their plans for the summer. I have never felt the need for "protection" while traveling in West Virginia. Since I may be doing some traveling outside the state, that has moved up on my priority list.

[Bearfootfarm]

Also, this young man was in a neighborhood that was a gated community late at night for no apparent reason

Zimmerman's call was placed at 7:17 PM, and Martin was dead before 7:30 PM

The ENTIRE INCIDENT only lasted 13 minutes, and the critical portion from the time Zimmerman hung up with the dispatcher to when the shot was fired was only about ONE MINUTE

Things have quieted down because there is not much new going on now.

Zimmerman has asked that the judge be replaced due to "conflict of interest", and he has a bond hearing set for Friday that may or may not take place depending on what the judge decides.

Zimmerman's lawyer asks to have judge removed from case - CNN.com

Also, the evidence records have been "sealed" which is tecnically a violation of Florida law, and the media is suing for it's release

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/17/us...rman-file.html

[Sonshine]

Originally Posted by Ohio Rusty

Things seem to have settled down in the media. I did miss the recent talk about guns by Bill Cosby concerning this case. Handguns and CCW have surfaced again as a hot topic.

I have a feeling whether it was self defense or what ... Zimmerman will not be found innocent of anything by the court system. The courts and TPTB know that if he is found innocent, this country will implode and there will be a race war that will make the Rodney King incident look like a peace march. The riots and unrest will happen in every major city this time, not just in L.A.

I work near Columbus Ohio ..... Columbus is a town where there is alot of racism, bigotry and general dislike for others. There is no such thing here as 'Brotherly Love'. There have been three hate incidents concerning the spraypainting of racial slurs on buildings in the last two weeks. Those are just the ones that made the news. In the bathrooms on the campus where I work, racial slurs and hate messages are always on the bathroom stall walls. They get erased and appear overnight again everywhere. Columbus is a powder keg, and a not guilty verdict of Zimmerman will light a fuse here ..... I guarantee I'll have to carry protection while travelling to and from work as I can be sure I'll have to fight my way thru town, thru the violence just to get back home alive. If I ever thought I would need to shoot to protect my life, a not guilty of Zimmerman will see to that ......

Ohio Rusty ><>

Since you and several others believe that he'll be convicted regardless of what the evidence may or may not show, do you believe there will be jury tampering? Since that seems to be the only way that anyone could control the outcome. Just trying to figure out why everyone thinks it will be rigged and he'll be found guilty regardless of what the evidence might show.

[copperkid3]

Originally Posted by Helena

Have I missed any more news or comments on this forum about Zimmerman and the death of the young man ??
Seemed like last week when everyone thought that Zimmerman outright murdered this young man everyone was talking and judging.
Now that more has been revealed that possibly Zimmerman was attacked when returning to his car and his life was at risk by this young man.
Also, this young man was in a neighborhood that was a gated community late at night for no apparent reason. No.it's not against the law
to be walking around at night but at age 17 young people should be out of the rain, out of a private neighborhood and not running away
when people ask them to stop and be at home. I know..some will say I am now judging...but I I think there is more coming out about this sad story.

Originally Posted by Old Vet

Now all we can do is to wait until the trial to see if he is innocent or guilty.

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of what the 'evidence' already showed.....despite the manipulations of the media to stir things up.

And technically, Zimmerman is innocent until the trial; it will be up to the 'media'......er.......the prosecutor, to prove otherwise!!!

[AR Cattails]

I feel very strongly that he will not get a fair trial. I believe that some of those who will be called up for jury duty will have such hatred for Zimmerman that they will lie to get on the jury so they can make sure he is convicted. Impartial and willing to listen to the evidence. HA! I don't think so. And this is just my belief and I have nothing to show to prove why I feel it will happen this way.

And I know that someone may say that people can lie to get on the jury to make sure he is found not guilty, but I don't feel that it will happen that way. Too many people want Zimmerman to pay for what happened to Martin...even if evidence shows him to be innocent.

[Sawmill Jim]

As i said where you going to find a jury Mars ??? And even at it very best twelve people not smart enough to get out of jury duty deciding the fate of a person is bad to start with . And that is if they are charged with speeding

[Darren]

All it takes is one man or woman to hang the jury. One of my friends has done that in the past. He's a one man jury nullification force. The best part is he probably doesn't know what jury nullification is. He just won't back up.

[Helena]

Now I know very little about a jury or a judge but can you have a trial with the judge only and no jury ?? And would you want too. I really think it should be taken to another state but does it have to be tried in Floriada. ?? I saw the last minute of the interview with Bill Cosby. He seemed to be very slow talking and strange. I believe he thinks no one should have a gun..??And why do we or them care what Bill Cosby has to say about this or anything ??

[pancho]

There won't be a fair trial.
For the same reason as Zimmermen was arrested and charged.
There wasn't anything in the evidence or eye witnesses to charge him with a crime but that didn't stop them from charging him.
There wan't be any evidence to convict him either but, again, that will change nothing.
He has already been convicted by the mob. All there is left is for the mob to decide the punishment.

[gapeach]

Little-Known DOJ Cell Watches Trayvon Martin Protests

by Keith Koffler on April 17, 2012, 9:57 am

A largely unknown group of Justice Department officials has inserted itself into the local Florida protest movement surrounding the killing of Trayvon Martin, assisting the protestors and attending their meetings and rallies.

While the officials are tasked with preventing racial violence, it appears that in carrying out their duties, they have provided significant assistance to those protesting the killing of Martin, who black, by George Zimmerman, who is half white and half Hispanic.

The officials are members of the DOJ’s Community Relations Service, also known as “The Peacemakers,” a special unit established under the 1964 Civil Rights Act and empowered to act to mitigate local tensions between ethnic groups.

From the CRS website:

It is the only Federal entity dedicated to assisting state and local government units, private and public organizations, and community groups with preventing and resolving racial and ethnic tensions, incidents, and civil disorders. The CRS works to restore stability and accord.

Under President Obama, the group’s mission has expanded substantially. Officials are permitted to take on a more aggressive role, moving from a “reactionary” to a “preventative” stance, CRS Director Ondray Harris told the website Main Justice. And the categories that can bring in The Peacemakers now include gender, “gender identity,” sexual orientation, religion, and disability.

Martin’s killing set off vocal protests – led by Al Sharpton – demanding the arrest of Zimmerman. Faced with threats of escalating fury from the protestors, Florida officials arrested Zimmerman last week. Obama and Attorney General Eric Holder have both suggested sympathy for the protestors or for Martin himself.

According to the Orlando Sentinel, The Peacemakers have ended up offering advice and assistance to the protestors.

When racial tensions flared in Sanford, a league of secretive peacemakers reached out to the city’s spiritual and civic leaders to help cool heated emotions after 17-year-old Trayvon Martin was shot and killed in February.

When civil-rights organizers wanted to demonstrate, these federal workers taught them how to peacefully manage crowds.

They even arranged a police escort for college students to ensure safe passage for their 40-mile march from Daytona Beach to Sanford to demand justice.

The Peacemakers are viewed by the protestors as a quietly protective, on-the-ground force, the Sentinel story makes clear.

“They were there for us,” said the Rev. Valarie Houston, pastor of Allen Chapel AME Church, a focal point for the community after the unarmed teen’s death. She met the peacekeepers there for the first time during a March 20 town-hall meeting. “We felt protected,” she said.

Houston said the conciliators told her they act as the “eyes and ears of the community” and provided guidance about keeping their message about nonviolence clear.

At every rally, community meeting and march, since the shooting, conciliators were there.

In their Navy blue windbreakers, polo shirts and dark sunglasses, they look like federal agents.

Their caps are embroidered with the Justice Department’s seal. They watch and listen silently. But they say little publicly.

When reporters try to chat them up, they remain stoic, saying simply they cannot talk to the media.

There is a secretive aspect to the group’s activities, although officials assert this is to facilitate participation in The Peacemakers mediation efforts. According to Main Justice, officials are barred from revealing the identity of parties participating in negotiations overseen by the CRS.
Little-Known DOJ Cell Watches Trayvon Martin Protests | The Blog on Obama: White House Dossier

[Darren]

I recently got a copy of Saul Alinsky's opus. I read it when I'm sitting on the throne when I'm in the proper state of mind.

I'd love to be at one of the meetings to listen to the conciliators. Saul Allinsky considered himself a community organizer. That was also someone else's claim to fame. I'm wondering if conciliator is another word for community organzer.

[Belfrybat]

Originally Posted by Helena

Have I missed any more news or comments on this forum about Zimmerman and the death of the young man ?? Seemed like last week when everyone thought that Zimmerman outright murdered this young man everyone was talking and judging. Now that more has been revealed that possibly Zimmerman was attacked when returning to his car and his life was at risk by this young man. Also, this young man was in a neighborhood that was a gated community late at night for no apparent reason. No.it's not against the law to be walking around at night but at age 17 young people should be out of the rain, out of a private neighborhood and not running away when people ask them to stop and be at home. I know..some will say I am now judging...but I I think there is more coming out about this sad story.

Hmm. Since when is 7pm late at night? Strange world you live in -- around here "late at night" would be 10 pm or later. And he was in the wrong to visit his father who lives in the neighbourhood? He got caught in a rain shower -- what was was he supposed to do, sit down on the sidewalk until it stopped raining? He expressed concern to his girlfriend on the phone that he was being followed. So then he was supposed to just stop when accosted by an adult he didn't know who appeared to be threatening him by following him? If he'd been my kid, I would have told him to run like hades.

Personally, I do think Zimmerman is guilty. Probably not of 2nd degree murder unless he really was stalking the kid, but certainly manslaughter. I haven't heard any reports of the weight difference between the two, but from the photos it looks like Zimmerman outweighed Trayvor. Did he really need a gun in that situation? If Trayvor had been considerably heavier, then it makes a bit more sense, but that doesn't seem to be the case.

I do believe with those who say it is going to be very hard to find a potential jury who hasn't read of the case ad nauseum, but that is the problem in today's society of instant communication. I don't have an answer for that as I see it as a real dilemma.

[gapeach]

Originally Posted by Darren

I recently got a copy of Saul Alinsky's opus. I read it when I'm sitting on the throne when I'm in the proper state of mind.

I'd love to be at one of the meetings to listen to the conciliators. Saul Allinsky considered himself a community organizer. That was also someone else's claim to fame. I'm wondering if conciliator is another word for community organzer.

Remember when Obama talked about his own police force?

Obama Civilian Security - YouTube

Federal “Peacemakers” empowered and sent by Obama to assist a group of Obama’s choosing. Yet Obama’s “Peacemakers” ignore laws broken by the group’s Black Panthers.

At every rally, community meeting and march, since the shooting, conciliators were there.

In their Navy blue windbreakers, polo shirts and dark sunglasses, they look like federal agents.

Their caps are embroidered with the Justice Department’s seal. They watch and listen silently. But they say little publicly.

When reporters try to chat them up, they remain stoic, saying simply they cannot talk to the media.

There is a secretive aspect to the group’s activities, although officials assert this is to facilitate participation in The Peacemakers mediation efforts. According to Main Justice, officials are barred from revealing the identity of parties participating in negotiations overseen by the CRS.

[davel745]

Originally Posted by Old Vet

Now all we can do is to wait until the trial to see if he is innocent or guilty.

I can guarantee he will be guilty of some crime and will do some time. It has already been decided.

[Bearfootfarm]

So then he was supposed to just stop when accosted by an adult he didn't know who appeared to be threatening him by following him?

According to the "girlfriend", MARTIN "accosted" Zimmerman

I haven't heard any reports of the weight difference between the two, but from the photos it looks like Zimmerman outweighed Trayvor. Did he really need a gun in that situation? If Trayvor had been considerably heavier, then it makes a bit more sense, but that doesn't seem to be the case.

The main photo used by Martin's family was when he was 14

The police report lists him as 6', 160 lbs
Other reports have said he was closer to 6'3 and heavier

Zimmerman is 5'9" and about 170
The picture of him in the orange jump suit was 5 years ago when he weighed 285

They weighed withn 10 lbs of each other, and Trayvon was at 3-6 inches taller, depending on whose figures you listen to.

If someone had punched you hard enough to knock you off your feet, and was banging your head into a sidewalk while sitting on top of you , would YOU want a gun?