I got pulled over today for speeding. That as legitimate because I was, in fact, speeding.
The officer asked me if I had "anything in your car that you would be nervous about me finding?" I said "No". He went on with "Guns? Knives? Weapons? Drugs? Weed? etc etc etc?" I just said "No" and joked around with him about my dog (who was in the car) being a weapon of mass destruction.
I just wonder though, why he asked this. He had no kind of reasonable cause to search my car, but the sort of convoluted way he asked that question made me wonder if my answer could have allowed him to do so? Or are criminals really dumb enough to say "Oh yeah! I have 30 pounds of meth in the spare tire!" so he figured it was worth a try?
I actually do sometimes travel with a weapon, but I don't think I would have told him about it anyways.
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SOP - standard operating procedure. They are trained to assume everyone they come in contact with is a criminal, and yes, there are some dumb enough to admit it. Some are clumsy enough to let something slip, like "I have a pocketknife" in which case they might proceed with a probable cause search. The best answers are one word - or less.
I answer no to weapons question. I do not answer any other questions.
It usually results in a lenthy wait while backup arrives.
More persistant questions that I respectfully don't answer and then a good look at my eyeballs.
Then I go on my way. Usually without a ticket. The "I don't want to say anything that would incriminate me before I see the judge" when they ask about the infraction, indicates they will have to go to court if they give me the ticket. They really hate going to court over stupid stuff.
I used to not like getting pulled over. Now I enjoy it, and they get a bit worked up.
Most cops are trained in how to spot someone lying by their body language. Asking the direct question is intended to give you an opportunity to either lie about it or tell the truth.
Two years ago, I was going over to town. On the big hill, I was in the one passing lane and I whipped by a couple of semis, so I would not have to follow them up & down the hills, farther on. As I whipped by them, going pretty fast, I saw a State Trooper going the other way.
About, 5 or 6 miles farther on, I saw a State Trooper with his flasher on passing traffic and coming up behind me and several other cars. I pulled over at a wide spot at a parking lot to let him pass. But... he pulled right in behind me. Uhh Ohh!
As he aproached my driver's window, I kept my hands on the wheel. He asked if I knew why he stopped. I knew he'd seen me whip around those semis and replied I did.
I added "Sir, I have a valid Indiana Carry permit, and I have a .357 revolver, in a belt holster on my right side." I always wear an untucked, un buttoned shirt. My hands were still plainly on the steering wheel. Folks, I'd rather be safe than sorry.
He said, "Not a problem Sir. Just open your door and step out behind it. No need to raise your hands. Just keep them on the door. I will step in behind you and remove your weapon." I did, and he did. I carry a Ruger SP101, 2.25", .357 mag.
He said, "Just be seated. I'll take your weapon with me to the car, when I write your ticket, for both our safeties."
When he came back, approaching the off side of my pickup, he opened the door. He said, "I've unloaded your weapon. It's a nice one, and well kept. I'll lay your shells and your weapon here on the console. Here is your ticket. Please Watch your Speed. I would not want you to have an accident. You can load your weapon and holster it again, after I leave."
As he went back to his car, I read my Ticket. He had given me a Warning Ticket.
I felt very relieved at the whole experience. The young Trooper was very professional.
I do not know, if it is required that I tell an Officer that I am carrying or not. But, as I said, "I'd rather err on the side of safety".
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Most states, if you're carrying concealed (with permit, of course), when asked for your DL, you are to produce both DL and CCW. If you are NOT carrying, there's no need to even offer the fact that you have a permit.
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This was very informative and I learned something today. Thank you for posting these videos.
You're welcome.
This one is like 48 minutes long.
If you are carrying a pistol, be very careful on how you deal with and mention that you are carrying.
Some states it is mandatory disclosure. some states, only if the officer asks. They may just ask it in a loaded question like the OP had:
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The officer asked me if I had "anything in your car that you would be nervous about me finding?" I said "No". He went on with "Guns? Knives? Weapons? Drugs? Weed? etc etc etc?" I just said "No" and joked around with him about my dog (who was in the car) being a weapon of mass destruction.
My favorite response was the day we went to canada fishing. The canadian customs lady asked me if I had anything to declare. My cousin was driving my truck and I simply told her, "Nothing but the usual grenades, horseshoes and nuclear bombs." I was on border security with the army with the US Customs post-9/11 and this particular agent knew me by sight at least. My cousins eyes were as big as the tires on the truck. She just smiled and said, "good luck fishing"
As an aside:
I am also an NRA personal protection inside and personal protection outside the home instructor as well as a permit to carry for my state and a defensive handgun instructor as well. It's not because I am anti-cop that I am aware of these videos. No one is required to capitulate to an officer and too many think you are required to.
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No....it's NOT sop......'most' of the time I've believed .....
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Originally Posted by manawar
SOP - standard operating procedure. They are trained to assume everyone they come in contact with is a criminal, and yes, there are some dumb enough to admit it. Some are clumsy enough to let something slip, like "I have a pocketknife" in which case they might proceed with a probable cause search. The best answers are one word - or less.
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(and found) that the average citizen is just that.....and treating them like criminal scum is
counter-productive. I also take exception to your reference to the comment on "I have a pocketknife";
i.e. that it would likely lead to a probable cause search.....based on WHAT?!!! Again 'most'
pocket knives have blades of 3.5" or less......nothing illegal in that.
In Texas, an illegal knife is defined as having a blade 5.5" or longer......admitting to that would likely get an officer's full attention.....
About the ONLY thing that we can agree upon, is your final statement.
I got pulled over today for speeding. That as legitimate because I was, in fact, speeding.
The officer asked me if I had "anything in your car that you would be nervous about me finding?" I said "No". He went on with "Guns? Knives? Weapons? Drugs? Weed? etc etc etc?" I just said "No" and joked around with him about my dog (who was in the car) being a weapon of mass destruction.
I just wonder though, why he asked this. He had no kind of reasonable cause to search my car, but the sort of convoluted way he asked that question made me wonder if my answer could have allowed him to do so? Or are criminals really dumb enough to say "Oh yeah! I have 30 pounds of meth in the spare tire!" so he figured it was worth a try?
I actually do sometimes travel with a weapon, but I don't think I would have told him about it anyways.
If you receive a bomb threat, two of the questions you're supposed to ask are "What is your name?" and "What is your address?" It's been shown that the person is usually in such a state, they will give that information because they aren't thinking straight.
I have been stopped twice and after telling them I have a carry permit and I am armed they always say no problem. They treat me as a equal and asked me some questions and say have a nice day. Never got any tickets even when I broke the law a little bit. They checked my license and say they got nothing on them and try to make sure it stays that way.
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I carry a pistol everywhere I go. I don't say a thing about it if I am stopped.
Had my car searched several times but they only run the serial number and give it back to me.
In this state we don't need permits to carry a gun in the car.
I carry a pistol everywhere I go. I don't say a thing about it if I am stopped.
Had my car searched several times but they only run the serial number and give it back to me.
In this state we don't need permits to carry a gun in the car.
Why in the world would you let them search your car?
Why in the world would you let them search your car?
Sometimes I am not thinking real good and it is just quicker.
Around where I live if you refuse they just bring in the dog.
When he alerts, and he will, that is probable cause to search.
Sometimes I am not thinking real good and it is just quicker.
Around where I live if you refuse they just bring in the dog.
When he alerts, and he will, that is probable cause to search.
You believe they let you off easier if you allow them to search without having to call in the dogs?
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I had a friend who had a machete in his car which he used for archealogical field work. When asked about weapons, he mentioned it and got a charge for carrying a concealed weapon. I never would have mentioned that machete because to me it would have been a tool, not a weapon, but by mentioning it, my friend left the cop with little choice really.
I didn't get a ticket, just a warning.
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I'm a smart aleck (SURPRISE!) and I'd say something like "I'm afraid you'll see my checkbook and the pathetic balance, dog slobber on the windows and there's a really good chance that one of my kids is on Day Three of his undies."
On the other hand, that makes ME want to run in fear! LOL
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