Noncitizens voting?

[Harry Chickpea]

This is NOT the Vermont I knew.

http://www.7dvt.com/2011burlington-noncitizens-vote

[wwubben]

Nothing wrong with that if the majority votes it in.

[Harry Chickpea]

Yeah, maybe I should try to vote from here.

[SquashNut]

I am pretty sure there is a law against noncitizens influeinsing our political system. I don't see how they can vote. so yes there is some thing wrong with it.

[arabian knight]

Originally Posted by wwubben

Nothing wrong with that if the majority votes it in.

And there lies the problem that this country is in.

No Noncitizens should be able to vote No Matter How Many people Vote it in???
I sure hope that was being sarcastic we need a Sarcastic icon on this board.

[pancho]

If a person is a property owner they should have a say in what happens in their town.
I would rather see a person who invests in the city they are living in being able to vote than a person who invests nothing being able to vote.

[where I want to]

Originally Posted by pancho

If a person is a property owner they should have a say in what happens in their town.
I would rather see a person who invests in the city they are living in being able to vote than a person who invests nothing being able to vote.

Pretty soon the only thing that citizenship will mean is that a citizen gets to pay all the costs of anyone who wants to take advantage of benefits here while being the only one who can be drafted. The non-citizen will scurry home when the time get tough.

[pancho]

Originally Posted by where I want to

Pretty soon the only thing that citizenship will mean is that a citizen gets to pay all the costs of anyone who wants to take advantage of benefits here while being the only one who can be drafted. The non-citizen will scurry home when the time get tough.

There hasn't been a draft in many years.
A property owner pays the same taxes as any other person, citizen or not. Those who are property owners know this. Those who have never owned property may not have any idea.
If they are a property owner they are at home. They do not have to scurry anywhere.

[Graham]

As a permanent resident, who hopefully will one day soon become a US citizen, I think it is wrong for a non citizen to have the right to vote. Yes I am a home owner who pays taxes, but that doesn't give me the right to vote. It just gives me the right to the amenities and services available.
And actually, if you are a permanent resident within the qualifying age, you are required to register for the draft. So scurrying home won't be so easy.

[Old Vet]

This is for local elections only not state or federal elections.
What a local town or village want to do is to get more input from those that live their.

[Yvonne's hubby]

I would have no problem at all allowing legal immigrants the right to vote in local matters as long as they are productive members of the community. Most landholders would meet that qualification I think. Where I would draw the line would be for anyone... citizens included... would be at the productive part... if you need public assistance... you give up your right to vote.

[Ross]

Only citizens should vote, its simple enough. They commit their lives and their childrens lives into its well being. Owning property shouldn't buy you the right to affect how a country's citizen should live.

[painterswife]

As a property tax paying permanent resident I understand both sides. I should have some say in how my taxes are spent. I do however know that property ownership in itself could possibly allow " outside influences" take too much control in some circumstances. It could be one of those slippery slope situations.

[pancho]

Taxation without reprensatation.
Too many people pay taxes and are not allowed to vote.
Too many people pay no taxes and are allowed to vote.

[Tiempo]

I'm a permanent resident property owner, never taken public assistance....I kind of have mixed feelings about it too.

As I pay all the same taxes as any citizen it would be nice to have more of a say in local issues, so I lean towards supporting this, but I don't believe I should be able to vote on a national level until I naturalize.

[arabian knight]

Believe me they ARE paying taxes.
Even if they are renting form someone the RENT paid is taxes included. ANYTHING they buy is taxed many times. No one in this country gets by without paying a cent in taxes. No one. So that representation part holds no water. And that is how you spell it BTW. LOL

[pancho]

Originally Posted by arabian knight

Believe me they ARE paying taxes.
Even if they are renting form someone the RENT paid is taxes included. ANYTHING they buy is taxed many times. No one in this country gets by without paying a cent in taxes. No one. So that representation part holds no water. And that is how you spell it BTW. LOL

Thanks. Spelling is not one of my high points.
Everyone does pay taxes when they buy anything.
Property owners pay many more taxes than non property owners.

[arabian knight]

Originally Posted by pancho

Thanks. Spelling is not one of my high points.
Everyone does pay taxes when they buy anything.
Property owners pay many more taxes than non property owners.

Well there was Back In The Day. When ONLY land owners voted.
You want to go back to those days?

[pancho]

Originally Posted by arabian knight

Well there was Back In The Day. When ONLY land owners voted.
You want to go back to those days?

That is something to think about.

But it would have to be voted on and a majority of voters are not property owners so it wouldn't pass.

Today the majority of voters do not have an invested interest in this country.
We now have more takers and fewer makers.

[SquashNut]

Originally Posted by arabian knight

Well there was Back In The Day. When ONLY land owners voted.
You want to go back to those days?

Very simple YES.